Someone please break Joss' fingers! [spoiler]
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UPDATED: Saturday, January 1, 2011 01:04
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
...BTW, you realize that if Joss' fingers are broken, all he has to do is dictate his script to Tim Minear, and his nickname is the Tim Reaper. It wouldn't be any better...
haha Yeah. It was a stupid idea. It's OK. In my imagination Wash still lives. I suppose that's heretical but it wouldn't be the first time for me.
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I was one of the early believers in the "Inara is dying" scenario.
I really hated the hokey "Roslin is dying" stuff on the new BSG right off the bat (sick, healed by deus ex machina, sick again *snore*), so I am pretty opposed to the idea. I think it's kinda lowbrow, I was hoping for something more eleborate.
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I like the idea of the syringe being a sex poison. Remember, this is the frontier. I can see rape as being punishable by death.
On the other hand, have you considered Inara's backstory? Why did she leave the temple house? Perhaps the companions also choose to groom the human condition from time to time? Kind of like the Bene Gesserit from Dune? A senior companion may be given the sex drug that leaves her client dead or dying, or more disturbing, requires application of another drug to prevent death. Making the person who supplies that palliative drug the controller of the person who prefers to live.
I think it is not out of the picture to think of a senior companion assigning Inara to take a senior alliance politician as a client and using the drug on him or her to control the person or kill them without suspicion. Inara leaving to travel could have easily been a reaction to the assignment or a result of the use of the sex drug shortening or terminating her life.
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As long as something happens with Mal and Inara before she dies I will be happy lol
[Inara: It's all right. I mostly keep to myself. When I'm not whoring.]
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Is anyone else really bothered by these storylines? They are very unsettling, manipulative.
First, there were plans for Inara to be taken by Reavers, ganged raped, survive because of her toxic vagina, rescued by the crew, totally destroying her character in the process (I can't imagine anyone ever being the same after living through that, rape is powerfully violent, not a sexual act, so the argument that she would recover because she’s a trained Companion is ridiculous.)
AND THEN, we were to discover that she was dying after all or not, depending on how the storyline was to unfold.
As for Mal and Zoe losing Wash, there’s got to be other ways to develop these characters besides having horrible things like rape and death happen to their loved ones, geez.
By the way, I think, I read in an interview that Roslin was Joss’s favorite BSG female character, so there you go.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
Is anyone else really bothered by these storylines? They are very unsettling, manipulative...
. . .there’s got to be other ways to develop these characters besides having horrible things like rape and death happen to their loved ones, geez.
Fair point, but Inara is a whore, after all, and really ought to be punished for her sexuality with Reaver wiener.
Also, the only way for characters to develop is gritty authenticity. Nothing says gritty authenticity like violence and sexual assault. Sooner of later, Joss and Co. would've had every major character humped by Reavers and tortured. Especially Simon. Can't you just picture his brow all knit in disgust as he...well, anyway, I can.
And all of these storylines, aborted or otherwise, grow not out of creative poverty, or rank laziness of narrative, but rather genius. Art requires gross emotional manipulation and reaver wiener. Don't you understand art?
I'm all for darkness and despair, but darkness for its own sake makes me invest less in the story and characters and suspicious of the author.
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Quote:Tim Minear, writer on Firefly, explains the Inara vs the Reavers story in a podcast at Fanboy Confidential. www.fanboy-confidential.com/interviews/episode-8-tim-minear/ Minear starts his explanation at 34 minutes, 25 seconds into the podcast and goes for 4 minutes.
Originally posted by Platonist:
Is anyone else really bothered by these storylines? They are very unsettling, manipulative.
First, there were plans for Inara to be taken by Reavers, ganged raped, survive because of her toxic vagina, rescued by the crew, totally destroying her character in the process (I can't imagine anyone ever being the same after living through that, rape is powerfully violent, not a sexual act, so the argument that she would recover because she’s a trained Companion is ridiculous.)
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by Hardware:...
On the other hand, have you considered Inara's backstory? Why did she leave the temple house? Perhaps the companions also choose to groom the human condition from time to time? Kind of like the Bene Gesserit from Dune? A senior companion may be given the sex drug that leaves her client dead or dying, or more disturbing, requires application of another drug to prevent death. Making the person who supplies that palliative drug the controller of the person who prefers to live...
Do we really want to see Inara in this light? It's just a question. Personally, I don't. I would prefer thinking that she would choose suicide over being taken by Reivers, or that she might offer that option to Kaylee. I guess I would prefer her to die as gracefully and beautifully as we have known her to live than to find out she is some sort of Bene Gesserit Witch.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
Is anyone else really bothered by these storylines? They are very unsettling, manipulative...
I agree. I was disturbed by Wash's sudden, brutal death, and mourn that his story is over. This whole thing with Inara and Reivers would just push me off the cliff. I would be disgusted and angry. No person or family could survive such a trauma and go on afterward. I don't know how they are going to realistically move them past the violent deaths of Book and Wash. There are limits to what the human mind and family dynamic can endure. People who reach their limit go mad. Families that reach their limit fall apart.
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Agreed, Inara and the Reavers would have been a bit much, even though, concept wise, it would have been a heroic arc for her because no one survives being held hostage by Reavers, unless they have an anti rape toxin. And, of course no one would go back for someone held by Reavers except Mal, because this is Inara we're talking about. I guess it was to be another example of illustrating what Mal says and calls her is disconnected to how he feels about her.
It’s just a very horrific way for her to have to prove herself to him and earn his respect. I’m not sure if the means justify the ends with this kind of scenario. She would be ruined professionally.
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