Someone is WRONG on the Internet!
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Saturday, July 20, 2024 14:12
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Okay, I'm sitting here and realizing that last night I spent a lot of time disagreeing with Niki on a couple of nominal issues. Recently things have been bad, and I was already cranky, and so I haven't gone through and read responses, but I also had disagreements with Magon and Mal on one or two things but the above image still applies.
I'm saying this for three reasons
1) I don't want anyone to feel offended if I don't continue a debate, it's just because I think I'd be wasting everyone's time doing so. The classic cartoon is also just part of common netiquette and I stepped over that line by arguing in meaningless debates. And by meaningless I don't mean that they're meaningless issues, but that it is meaningless to argue them.
Not meaningless: Debating the science of global warming
Meaningless: Debating whether or not Kaneman is a troll
GW is science, and correct answers are important for everyone, and I know people here run websites, and together we can first, debate and come up with some facts, and second, that our opinions will influence others.
Kaneman is a user here, and not a scientific issue.
Moving on...
2) I think that everyone should probably be putting the same check on themselves above, so that they don't waste their time either.
For instance, trying to convince a thick headed opinionated person like myself that socialism is okay is probably a waste of time. I'm probably biased based on my own family history having had people on multiple sides executed by multiple socialists regimes.
I may very well be wrong. Maybe socialism is a viable idea. I personally think it has failed, and we need to try something else. I think a fair number of things have failed. Some of you may disagree, but what does it matter if I think a political idea is unworkable? Is it really important to anyone if I, say, vote republican or democratic? Or buy coke instead of pepsi? So, I don't like socialism, you do, so what, it's not like I'll hold it against you or you'll hold it against me, and it's definitely not like a random pair of us are about to socially engineer our own form of govt, so this is probably just both of us wasting our time.
There was a while on the Forum when Mike and Rap would just post every disagreement they had. Reminded me that some years back, it was me and Citizen doing that. When I did it, I noticed got very aggitated. When Mike and Rap did I noticed that they had become 1/2 of all posts. This means they were seriously wasting not just each other's time, but their own. Then I realized that's exactly what me and citizen has done.
3) The above is a netiquette point. I just mentioned a few of them, but everyone else should mention any they think of, I'll start out with this:
A) Netiquette is not about control, it's about self control, in short, it's about "How not to be a moron." In this case, a moron would be someone who is wasting their own time while diminishing their own influence.
B) Don't feed the trolls.
C) Godwin's Law
This illustrates the problem with misunderstanding godwin's law, which most people do. The example of "just like Hitler" was to illustrate an irrational connection that lead to an extreme parallel.
From me earlier:
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Irrational connections that draw extreme parallels, like your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland, is an automatic defeat for your argument.
Godwin's law is often misapplied as "Whoever compares someone to Nazis first loses."
The second interpretation is also valid, but not if that someone is Mussolini.
Instead, visualize it this way
D) Spamming pollutes the information environment.
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DT,
Yes, sometimes we have to let things go. 
CTS
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Arrogant and proud of it. 
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If someone knows a rule that explains this point, please post it, but I think "don't be a moron" would be a good one. You know, don't state a fact you're not sure of without looking it up, and the same goes for spelling. Nothing's going to do worse for your argument than starting out
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When Mao Jong Il introduced the one child policy in 1983...
I hope everyone can spot three problems with that statement right away.
If this rule doesn't exist, I'll make it up, but I suspect its out there and I appreciate if someone could find it, you know, in a classic iconic form that will make me slap my forehead. I'm sure that everyone has seen A-G before. A bonafide netiquette rule should be familiar to most users. If you can't find what you're trying to say in one, make one up, it might be a rule that someone else can fill in, or it could be a brilliant new idea.
I'd call that rule "FactCheck". Used in collaboration with SpellCheck, it's invaluable. Check your facts, check your sources, and if you aren't sure, say so - say, "IIRC", or "I *think* it was..." or some such.
This Space For Rent!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'd call that rule "FactCheck". Used in collaboration with SpellCheck, it's invaluable. Check your facts, check your sources, and if you aren't sure, say so - say, "IIRC", or "I *think* it was..." or some such.
Absolutely. And some blogger or obviously biased site is, I think, not generally a valid source for facts to back up an argument. I'm more likely to believe something sourced from BBC, AP, or even Al Jazerra than "EvilBush/Obama.com".
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Geezer,
lol.
Good point. Maybe there's an archetypal rule for evilbushobama.com. Some time ago, someone created a wikipedia page on jews using only nazi propaganda as sources. He did it to illustrate that all sources are not created equal. The downside of this is that we would end up deferring to TPTB who one most of the major media. It always helps your case if your opponents agree with you.
If someone posted "Evilbush.com" says this, but look, "Evilobama.com" agrees, but it gets even stronger if "jihad.com" and "zion.com" also concur with the first two. At that point I don't necessarily need guardian.co.uk to back it up. We need to keep independent sources as sources, but citing one site that always agrees with you doesn't help.
Look! My website agrees with me!
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1) I don't want anyone to feel offended if I don't continue a debate, it's just because I think I'd be wasting everyone's time doing so. The classic cartoon is also just part of common netiquette and I stepped over that line by arguing in meaningless debates. And by meaningless I don't mean that they're meaningless issues, but that it is meaningless to argue them.
Keep in mind, it all comes down to ....
1.If I agree with you, or acknowledge your views are completely valid, we can agree , or agree to disagree, and leave things at that. Further time spent on the topic is indeed time wasted.
or
2. If, however, I disagree with you, and you stop responding,... you're a coward and are simply running away. You can type the same argument 100x's, any number of ways, and I still won't get or agree with you. Ergo, you're a coward, a racist and in all likelihood, don't bathe with any regularity.
That's pretty much how forums work on the internet.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Geezer,
If someone posted "Evilbush.com" says this, but look, "Evilobama.com" agrees, but it gets even stronger if "jihad.com" and "zion.com" also concur with the first two. At that point I don't necessarily need guardian.co.uk to back it up.
And then you have to make sure that Evilbush.com and Evilobama.com and Jihad.com, etc. aren't all just quoting or paraphrasing something they all got from Overarchingconspiracy.com. Seen that happen.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Everything you wrote is good, Anthony, as I see it. Unfortunately, it doesn't do much good, as those here who "troll" have no interest in netequette anyway, so they go right on doing what they want to do for attention.
Ignoring just became a whole lot easier for me at least, after I had a couple of epitomes yesterday. It's a relief, to say the least.
And I've been called a coward for "running away" from a discussion when I saw the uselessness of it many times. I usually say I agree to disagree, and I've found it's only those who have something invested in "winning" the argument, or trolls, who come out with "coward".
On the other hand, if someone makes a point and their point is refuted, then they're asked a valid question, I am more apt to think they're running away from the argument. Nothing lost in answering a question then leaving; but that's my own prejudice, I know.
I try to say IMO, "I think", "it appears to me" and stuff as often as I think of it, because virtually everything here IS opinion, whether the person writing it puts it as a flat "fact" or not.
As I said, everything discussed here I think we already know, valid tho' it may be. It's good to be reminded of it, but most people do what you say pretty automatically; it's common sense. The difference is between people who WANT to converse and those who are here just to troll, to me.
I LOVED the cartoons--two of them didn't come out; can you fix that, or give us the links? A good laugh is always welcome. Thank you!
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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In my view, all those rules can be summarized into one:
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
If that is too complicated, just do this:
Let go of hate.
Works in the real world too.
Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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