Islam, religion of peace
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In response to those who keep claiming Islam is a religion of violence, not peace:Quote:
Last week, New York University hosted the Intelligence Squared Debates at its Skirball Center for the Performing Arts. Four panelists, two for and two against, presented arguments on the motion of "Islam Is a Religion of Peace." About 800 showed up to learn the answer.
The Muslim community is by no means monolithic and viewing us as one is problematic. We are diverse.
Yet we find ourselves in a moment in which we are very narrowly understood. That normative understanding is equated to something radical, despite the fact that 93 percent of Muslims are found to be far from radical according to recent Gallup surveys.
What becomes more problematic is that typically when one of us from that 93 percent steps up to speak, we are vehemently told that we either do not represent Islam or even more absurdly that we are not truly practicing Islam's teachings.
Zeba Khan, a panelist for the "Islam Is a Religion of Peace" last week, was met with such a response. She started off the debate by sharing her personal story about growing up in Ohio, attending a Hebrew Day School, and being raised by Indian parents in a Muslim household. "Just because you may not hear us," said Khan," doesn't mean we are not speaking."
Ayaan Hirsi Ali , speaking against the motion, followed Zeba and immediately said, "The problem with Islam is who speaks for Islam." She went on to say, "I concede (the radical voice) is a minority," and expressed her desire that someone like Zeba Khan actually would speak for Islam, but, in her opinion, could not and does not.
And so Zeba's voice, her interpretation, and all of her efforts were collectively dismissed since she did not fit into what Hirsi Ali believed Islam to be.
Maajid Nawaz, Zeba Khan's co-panelist for the motion, was dismissed just as easily. "This debate is not about making excuses for terrorism," he said. "This debate acknowledges that Muslims bear a responsibility in reclaiming their faith from a minority."
If anyone understands the issues of that minority voice it is Nawaz. Having been a member of the political party Hizb ut-Tahrir for 14 years, Nawaz was a founding member in Denmark and Pakistan. In his own words, he eventually served a sentence for four years in an Egyptian prison as an Amnesty International prisoner of conscience, and during them that time broke away from Hizb ut-Tahrir's ideology.
He has since dedicated his life to counter-radicalism initiatives and seeks to uphold the responsibility that he spoke of through his work. He even uniquely acknowledges the presence of a radical element in Islam and how its misinterpretation is still in fact an interpretation that needs to be dealt with.
Despite this, those opposed to the motion told him that it is his peaceful understanding of Islam that is rooted in misinterpretation, since it does not match up with the interpretation put forth by the radical minority, and thus somehow ignores the fundamentals of Islam since those groups somehow are the end-all be-all of what Islam actually means.
That a peaceful interpretation of the religion, or even one that is non-radical, can only exist by ignoring fundamental texts is flawed in its logic.
Characteristic of any text - whether religious or not - is its ability to be interpreted through the lens of its reader. Interpretations of the Quran that espouse ideas of tolerance, compassion and mercy have existed and continue to exist in the majority of Muslim communities since the advent of Islam 1400 years ago.
As much as Muslims need to acknowledge the existence of a minority voice that is radicalized, so too does a broader society need to acknowledge the existence of a majority voice that is not radicalized and more importantly condemns radical thought. There are those who make Islam to be something restrictive and radical, but there are many, many more who do not.
Moderating the panel last week, ABC News correspondent John Do
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And in response to that...
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This was great...Thanks AU. Nice try Nikki2. First # is killed next injured.
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2010.10.10 Iraq Leheis 3 2 Sunni bombers take out three civilians by blasting their minibus.
2010.10.10 Afghanistan Paktya 9 0 Three young children and three women are among nine dismembered by a Taliban bomb.
2010.10.10 Nigeria Maiduguri 2 0 Islamists gun down a rival cleric and his assistant.
2010.10.09 Iraq Yusufiya 2 1 Two civilians are shot to death in a Religion of Peace drive-by.
2010.10.09 Iraq Abu Ghraib 1 4 Sectarian Jihadis invade a home and shoot five members of the same family.
2010.10.09 Russia Kabardino-Balkaria 1 0 A court official is murdered by suspected Muslim gunmen while walking home.
2010.10.09 Iraq Fallujah 3 0 Three brothers are pulled out of their home and shot execution style by al-Qaeda.
2010.10.08 Abkhazia Gudauta 1 2 A religious leader is killed when suspected Islamic terrorists fire into their mosque.
2010.10.08 Iraq Madaen 1 0 A young woman is reportedly tortured and killed by al-Qaeda.
2010.10.08 Philippines Cotabato 2 1 Militant Muslims previously targeting missionaries kill two people and kidnap a woman.
2010.10.08 Afghanistan Takhar 20 35 Twenty people at a mosque are sent straight to Allah by Sunni bombers.
2010.10.08 Afghanistan Kunar 1 0 A 35-year-old female British aid worker is captured and blown up in captivity by the Taliban.
2010.10.07 Iraq Iskandariyah 5 20 Sunni militia target a busy marketplace with a shrapnel bomb. Five patrons are taken out.
2010.10.07 Nigera Maiduguri 1 0 Boko Haram Islamists assassinate a top politician.
2010.10.07 Afghanistan Baghlan 1 6 A Shahid suicide bomber murders a German soldier guarding a road.
2010.10.07 Tajikistan Rasht 6 3 The Islamic Movement kills six local soldiers with a roadside blast.
2010.10.07 Pakistan Karachi 9 74 Two children are among nine Sufi worshippers taken down by two barbaric suicide blasts at their mosque.
2010.10.07 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A woman and her 13-year-old daughter are murdered in their home by terrorists.
2010.10.07 Iraq al-Mohandeseen 2 0 Suspected Sunni insurgents shoot a 3-year-old girl and her sister to death.
2010.10.06 Nigeria Borno 2 0 Two statehouse guards are gunned down by Boko Haram Islamists.
2010.10.06 Pakistan Kohat 0 3 Islamists throw a grenade into a house with children, injuring three.
2010.10.06 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two civilians die from injuries following a drive-by Mujahid shooting.
2010.10.06 Afghanistan Mizan 3 0 Three farmers carrying produce are brutally blasted to pieces by Taliban hardliners.
2010.10.05 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Three Buddhists transporting chickens are pumped full of holes by Muslim separatists at point-blank range.
2010.10.05 Afghanistan Kandahar 9 25 Eight civilians are among nine brutally slain in a Taliban ambush.
2010.10.05 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 8 Two local soldiers are sent to Allah by Islamic bombers.
2010.10.05 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 33-year-old man is murdered in his driveway by Islamic gunmen.
2010.10.05 Pakistan Sindh 1 0 A teacher is gunned down by sectarian assassins.
2010.10.04 Iraq Jalawla 4 17 Four local cops lose their lives to Jihadi bombers.
2010.10.04 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 17 Islamic hardliners murder four local cops with a series of bomb blasts.
2010.10.04 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 A local official is gunned down by Islamist while praying at a mosque.
2010.10.04 Dagestan Chiryurt 2 0 Suspected Islamists assassinate two local farm officials, both fathers.
2010.10.04 Somalia Mogadish 5 19 Two women and a child are among five civilians killed during an al-Shabaab attack along a city street.
2010.10.04 Iraq Garma 1 0 A television camera man bleeds out following a targeted bombing.
2010.10.04 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 6 Hardliners send rockets into a civilian district, killing two.
2010.10.04 Iraq Mussayab 1 0 An Iraqi is murdered by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2010.10.03 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A university professor is killed by fundamentalist gunmen.
2010.10.03 Algeria Tizi Ouzou 5 10 Five s
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That looks like a lot of Muslim violence, but it really isn't. Most of that stuff occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are understandably violent due to the war going on. Ever watch Lock Up on MSNBC? Ever hear those stories of what those Americans did to other Americans? It's frightening and chilling. Or the un-imagineably horrific Connecticut home invasion case that just concluded, no Muslims involved there.
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That looks like a lot of Muslim violence, but it really isn't. Most of that stuff occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are understandably violent due to the war going on. Ever watch Lock Up on MSNBC? Ever hear those stories of what those Americans did to other Americans? It's frightening and chilling. Or the un-imagineably horrific Connecticut home invasion case that just concluded, no Muslims involved there.
Did Americans kill Americans in the name of god? Not really. Take Afganistan and Iraq out of that list and it is still HUGE.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That looks like a lot of Muslim violence, but it really isn't. Most of that stuff occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are understandably violent due to the war going on. Ever watch Lock Up on MSNBC? Ever hear those stories of what those Americans did to other Americans? It's frightening and chilling. Or the un-imagineably horrific Connecticut home invasion case that just concluded, no Muslims involved there.
Yup, we're told time after time after time by those on "the right" that "America is a Christian nation!" So if I grant you that, that some 85% of Americans claim to be "Christian", then it stands to reason that an awful lot of the prisoners and criminals in this country must necessarily be Christian.
We have more people - in raw numbers AND in percentages - in prison in this country than any other nation on Earth. Clearly, we must have an awful lot of criminal Christians. We also have one of the highest murder rates on the planet; again, we make more murderous religious folks than just about any other nation on Earth.
Seems Christianity breeds hateful religious zealots just as well as other religions!
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
That looks like a lot of Muslim violence, but it really isn't. Most of that stuff occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are understandably violent due to the war going on. Ever watch Lock Up on MSNBC? Ever hear those stories of what those Americans did to other Americans? It's frightening and chilling. Or the un-imagineably horrific Connecticut home invasion case that just concluded, no Muslims involved there.
Did Americans kill Americans in the name of god? Not really. Take Afganistan and Iraq out of that list and it is still HUGE.
How do you know that? Or DO you "know" that? Sounds to me like you're making an awful lot of assumptions, "u ass".
You're *assuming* that all Iraqi and Afghani violence is "in the name of God", and that NONE of the American violence is. Your assumption follows no logic at all.
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Al-Qaeda magazine published 'tips on how to kill Americans'
A magazine run by the Yemeni group al-Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula has published a list of tips on how to kill Americans.
"A random hit at a crowded restaurant in Washington, DC at lunch ... might end up knocking out a few government employees," one article reads, according to the private SITE Intelligence Group, which studies, tracks and analyses the global jihadist network and terrorism financing.
The edition also includes "The Ultimate Mowing Machine," which describes how to use a pickup truck "as a mowing machine, not to mow grass, but mow down the enemies of Allah." It says "to achieve maximum carnage, you need to pick up as much speed as you can while still retaining good control . . . to strike as many people as possible in your first run."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/yemen/8058063/Al-
Qaeda-magazine-published-tips-on-how-to-kill-Americans.html
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Well, shit, QQ - Detroit can better those casualty figures any day of the week, this is supposed to impress me...
How, exactly ?
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Indeed, that list of "muslim violence" is imposing...for about 30 seconds, til u notice it is a list of three years worth of incidents and there are 11,000 gun deaths in the USA PER YEAR
kinda puts your list to shame actually...in the scheme of things i would say the muslims are waaaaay behind on their quotas.
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Indeed, that list of "muslim violence" is imposing...for about 30 seconds, til u notice it is a list of three years worth of incidents and there are 11,000 gun deaths in the USA PER YEAR
kinda puts your list to shame actually...in the scheme of things i would say the muslims are waaaaay behind on their quotas.
Actually, I think the figures on gun deaths in the U.S. are something like 30,000 per year. Praise be, and Amen!
And again, if people are going to INSIST that every crime, every murder, every rape, every molestation that occurs in a predominantly Muslim nation like Iraq or Afghanistan is automatically, 100% caused by Islam, then I think it's only fair to put every single death in the U.S. - or at least the same percentage as their are Americans who claim to be "Christian" - on that religion. After all, y'all claim that we live under Judeo-Christian law, right?
Just seems like you ought to be playing all by the same rules, is all.
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The edition also includes "The Ultimate Mowing Machine," which describes how to use a pickup truck "as a mowing machine, not to mow grass, but mow down the enemies of Allah." It says "to achieve maximum carnage, you need to pick up as much speed as you can while still retaining good control . . . to strike as many people as possible in your first run."
Conservative humorist (and avowed Christian!) P.J. O'Rourke once wrote an article on the joys and perils of drunk driving in large, open-air markets.
Does this make him a religious terrorist? Or would that only apply if he were a Muslim?
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A) Yes, to claim every death listed was "in the name of Allah" is fallacious at best
B) "Al-Qaeda magazine"??? This represents Islam?
C) Yes, American violence way outshines anything anywhere else as far as how many it kills, and has for decades. So it kinda begs the question, which is worse, murder in the name of one's god, or murder just for the hell of it, or murder for revenge, money, gang purposes, or whatever else?
None of this relates to Islam...REAL Islam, not the prostituted-for-our-own-aims Islam represented by Al Qaeda or ANYONE who is manipulated into thinking they're killing in the name of Allah.
And yet again, the small, SMALL minority of the world's Muslims who either misunderstand or are manipulated into misbelieving in the tenants of their religion are nothing when compared with the millions and millions of Muslims who understand and practice their religion.
Once again, the attempt is made to say "All Muslims are terrorists" and "Islam is a violent religion".
It...just...won't...fly.
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Once again, the attempt is made to say.... "Islam is a violent religion".
It...just...won't...fly.
It's not an " attempt ", ma'am. It's the way of things.
You not liking it doesn't change matters.
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B) "Al-Qaeda magazine"??? This represents Islam?
To the same degree that Soldier of Fortune magazine represents all Christianity.
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Once again, the attempt is made to say.... "Islam is a violent religion".
It...just...won't...fly.
It's not an " attempt ", ma'am. It's the way of things.
You not liking it doesn't change matters.
And you not liking Islam doesn't make it evil.
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And again, if people are going to INSIST that every crime, every murder, every rape, every molestation that occurs in a predominantly Muslim nation like Iraq or Afghanistan is automatically, 100% caused by Islam, then I think it's only fair to put every single death in the U.S. - or at least the same percentage as their are Americans who claim to be "Christian" - on that religion. After all, y'all claim that we live under Judeo-Christian law, right?
Just seems like you ought to be playing all by the same rules, is all.
There you go, Mike, trying to use The Logic again. You silly foolish man! There's no place for that that - fear and complacency only must rule!
I'll note that Rappy has still made no statement allowing that a Muslim might be a decent person and upstanding American citizen. The fact that the Rapster won't admit such a possibility, yet in the same breath claims to not be a bigot, makes him all the more a cartoon character in my mind. But what would such an obvious, one dimensional, cackling and finger-jiggling villain be named? What color are his tights and mask? What emblem marks his weak, caved in chest?
Hmm. I'll save my musings for future threads...
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And you not liking Islam doesn't make it evil.
There you go again, putting the cart before the horse.
Maybe Islam was evil FIRST, which causes me to not like it ?
Ponder that one, for a while, before you reply.
However, I fully acknowledge that a Muslim might be a decent person and upstanding American citizen. I not only see it as a very real possibility, I claim it to be a fact, until proven otherwise.
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There you go again, putting the cart before the horse.
Maybe Islam was evil FIRST, which causes me to not like it ?
Nope, Christianity was definitely evil long before Islam existed. ;)
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However, I fully acknowledge that a Muslim might be a decent person and upstanding American citizen. I not only see it as a very real possibility, I claim it to be a fact, until proven otherwise.
Of course, in RappyWorld™, wanting to build a community center within 10,000 miles of ground zero is "proof"...
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Judaism and Christianity indeed did exist before Islam.
Islam has proven to be far, FAR more evil in my life time.
It's not even close.
And not with in " 10,000 miles " of ground zero, but AT ground zero.
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Oh, Raptor, you just can't do it, can you. You can't extrapolate to any other time in history, you can't see the dichotomy of a "religion" being based on hate and evil, can you? You REALLY think Islam was born, and gained so many millions of followers, because it preached hate and violence? Really???
Yes, in OUR time, there's a lot of violence being done by Muslims. In a hundred years we'll all be dead, the world will have gone 'round, and something ELSE will have someone ELSE screaming that it's the single most important thing in the world, that X is evil, X religion/political party/philosophy/nation is violent, and on and on and on.
I ask again; if you believe Islam is violent and Muslims are evil...or vice versa, I lose track...WHAT exactly do you propose we do about it? I mean beyond spewing hate and personal attacks and obscenities all over some minor forum board on the internet?
No, wait, a far more important question. Did you read the first post in this thread? I'd really like to know, because it seems as if any effort to put up anything positive about Muslims or Islam is immediately attacked with all kinds of posts about horrors and terrorism, etc., etc. It's like anything positive HAS to be countered, it's vitally important THAT it be countered, which mystifies me.
So
1) Did you read the first post in this thread, and if so, what do you have to say about IT, not anything else, not terrorist acts which happened yesterday or anything else?
2) Why is it so important to interject into anything positive put up about Muslims or Islam mention of terrorism, bad things done by anyone in a Muslim country, etc., etc.?
3) THEN, what do you propose we do about the violence done by Muslims, other than screaming at one another?
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Why is it so important to interject into anything positive put up about Muslims or Islam mention of terrorism, bad things done by anyone in a Muslim country, etc., etc.?
Because it isn't merely "BAD THINGS DONE BY ANYONE IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY ", and that's precisely the point. What has been brought up by me and others aren't jut random acts of violence, but brought upon SPECIFICALLY for the glory of Allah ! Admittedly misguided, but still true, none the less. Until you acknowledge that and START to understand that, I'll continue to post such things.
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THEN, what do you propose we do about the violence done by Muslims, other than screaming at one another?
Do what you Lefties always love to do - raise awareness. Acknowledge the problem. Get people talking and standing up to these thugs. ALL people,including 'REAL' Muslims, who aren't afraid to stand up to the PC NAZIs and will face the issue in the full light of day.
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No. That's exactly the point--first, you can't prove they "all" were, because they WEREN'T.
brought upon SPECIFICALLY for the glory of Allah
Some were retaliation for one thing or another.
Some were personal battles, murders, robberies, etc.
Some were intended to terrorize this group or that for this reason or another.
Some were instigated by terrorist leaders USING the "name of Allah"...and promises of virgins or whatever.
Some were acts of hatred against foreigners.
Some were acts of terrorism related to war.
AND some where stupidly done in the belief that it was "in the name of Allah"
And on and on and on. I guess that's the crux of it. You truly BELIEVE every act of violence by a Muslim anywhere, for any reason, is actually done "in the name of Allah". In which case, there's no way to get through to you.
Nonetheless...I say again: Why is it NECESSARY TO INTERJECT into any thread about Islam or Muslims a listing or spewing of violent acts by Muslims? Why is that necessary? Why can't you post it in one of the MANY threads put up about the violence of Muslims? Why do you need to interject it into threads on ANYTHING positive about Muslims or Islam? There's something perversely desperate in not being satisfied joining threads about terrorism but having to inject terrorism into threads having nothing to do with it. I don't think you can even answer that, to be honest.Quote:
Okay, that's just plain absurd. EVERYONE KNOWS about terrorism, what awareness needs to be raised??? REAL MUSLIMS DO STAND UP, I've put up tons and TONS of material about how they're standing up all around the globe, in big numbers, important Muslims...THEY DON"T GET MEDIA PLAY. That's the ONLY problem, dammit, and you just don't get it. How do you MAKE the media cover Muslims speaking up against terrorism, protesting, demonstrating against terrorism??? Because it's happening every goddamned day, IN THE LIGHT OF DAY.
raise awareness. Acknowledge the problem. Get people talking and standing up to these thugs. ALL people,including 'REAL' Muslims, who aren't afraid to stand up to the PC NAZIs and will face the issue in the full light of day.
So what you want is impossible. No awareness needs to be raised, PARANOIA has been raised, to the point where peaceful Muslim mosques--ACTUAL mosques--are being attacked, shut down, because people fear the peaceful Muslims who worship there, even when they've been there for decades.
Muslims, millions of them, ARE speaking up, ARE demonstrating against terrorism, but nobody cares because in a political climate it's more advantageous to sow hatred and fear, because in the media it's not exciting if someone's not shooting something or blowing something up.
Can you possibly see what I'm saying? Myself, I think it's something else. I think you need those of us who disagree with you that Islam is evil and (virtually?) all Muslims are dangerous (or vice versa) to AGREE WITH YOU. I think you can't let a thread about Islam as a peaceful religion, or about the good things Muslims do around the world every day, or about all the millions of Muslims who are protesting terrorism, stand. I think you need desperately to interject contrast, to deny the validity of anything positive that's put up, like it doesn't exist, like it's wiped out by the bad stuff, there can only be one.
I think that's what it is. Because otherwise it doesn't make sense...there are plenty of threads about terrorism, Muslim terrorists, etc., and you can start your own, and do. There is no need to come crashing into threads which are informing people about the good things they don't hear on the news. There's room for both. So why else do it, unless you can't stand the existence of threads just about the positives?
If you think I'm wrong, tell me how YOU see that need and why you feel compelled to do it.
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Sorry Niki, I don't buy your premise that EVERYONE knows about terrorism.
How much coverage have we ( here in the US ) really seen of the horrific attacks in Mumbai? Beslan ? Bali ? Too far away?
What of the Major who shot up Ft Hood?
Or the Times Square bomber ?
And while we do get stories on these guys, we ALSO get nonsensical counter stories, based purely on speculation, about how one was 'stressed' and maybe that caused him to snap...or he lost his job, and had mortgage payments due.... or maybe he was somebody upset at the healthcare bill passed..... please!
The news is watered down, packaged and tailor made by folks who want to present to us a puppet theatre. They're hell bent on only giving us a version of the story which will keep us in check and more focused on which survivor will be voted off the island, or who'll get to stay in the bachelorette house for another night.
You see things being reported in a manner which fans the flames of fear and distrust. I see it the exact opposite. They're not over playing the terrorism threat, they're minimizing it. What's going on is barely getting a brief mention before it's off to report the sports and the weather.
I have no particular use for religion, as I've made clear, time and time again. Practice what you want, pray to what ever you'd like, just not on my boat. But I'm sure as hell not going to sit by and pretend something isn't going on because it upsets the sensibilities of a few who simply refuse to see the world as it is.
Just leave well enough alone ? Hell no. Not when we have folks who are promoting the murder of civilians , after having praised the murder of civilians, time and time again.
Niki, you quite literally do NOT get it, and it's clear you never will. Why ? Because you CHOOSE to not understand it. I sincerely hope that no one you ever know has any close calls or worse with these ' religion of peace' types you claim hardly even exist.
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Sorry Niki, I don't buy your premise that EVERYONE knows about terrorism.
Really? You think there are people who have never heard of terrorism? Where are they? Do you have ANY kind of evidence to back such a claim?
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How much coverage have we ( here in the US ) really seen of the horrific attacks in Mumbai? Beslan ? Bali ? Too far away?
Quite a bit, really. If you're paying attention, that is. And if you get your news from somewhere other than FauxNews.
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What of the Major who shot up Ft Hood?
Or the Times Square bomber ?
What of them? One just had his hearing postponed, and the other got a lengthy sentence (6 consecutive life sentences) after a guilty plea. Again, did you not hear about this? Hinting that others are as ignorant of events as you are only showcases your own ignorance for all to see.
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And while we do get stories on these guys, we ALSO get nonsensical counter stories, based purely on speculation, about how one was 'stressed' and maybe that caused him to snap...or he lost his job, and had mortgage payments due.... or maybe he was somebody upset at the healthcare bill passed..... please!
We get a lot of those stories about white guys who fly planes into buildings, too. And about guys who shoot doctors for performing perfectly legal procedures. So you're saying that those are all just cover to try to obscure their religious zealotry, eh? On that, we're agreed!
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The news is watered down, packaged and tailor made by folks who want to present to us a puppet theatre. They're hell bent on only giving us a version of the story which will keep us in check and more focused on which survivor will be voted off the island, or who'll get to stay in the bachelorette house for another night.
You see things being reported in a manner which fans the flames of fear and distrust. I see it the exact opposite. They're not over playing the terrorism threat, they're minimizing it. What's going on is barely getting a brief mention before it's off to report the sports and the weather.
I have no particular use for religion, as I've made clear, time and time again. Practice what you want, pray to what ever you'd like, just not on my boat. But I'm sure as hell not going to sit by and pretend something isn't going on because it upsets the sensibilities of a few who simply refuse to see the world as it is.
That's EXACTLY what you're doing, every single time you claim that Christianity has no blood on its hands. You're pretending something isn't going on because it upsets your sensibilities to think that people on your side of the political spectrum can behave in such a way. You refuse to see the world as it is. You can't see the 30,000 gun deaths all around you every year, because you're ONLY focused on what "they" are doing, the Muslims, the "evil ones", the ones you'll never trust, the ones you think MUST BE connected to terrorism, else why would they want to live and worship here in the U.S.?
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Just leave well enough alone ? Hell no. Not when we have folks who are promoting the murder of civilians , after having praised the murder of civilians, time and time again.
When we invaded Iraq, you shrugged about that, and called it "collateral damage". Funny that you don't feel that way when the collateral damage is on your own soil, huh?
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Niki, you quite literally do NOT get it, and it's clear you never will. Why ? Because you CHOOSE to not understand it. I sincerely hope that no one you ever know has any close calls or worse with these ' religion of peace' types you claim hardly even exist.
Oh, hell, you don't hope that at all. You openly advocate death for anyone who disagrees with you, and you goddamn well know it. But regardless of that, Niki is about ten thousand times more likely to be gunned down by a so-called "Christian" than she is to be blown up by any Muslim. That you're too chickenshit to face facts doesn't change those facts. The
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Your childish sign off tells everyone what sort of petty imbecile you are.
Islamo terrorists HAVE no such thing as 'collateral damage'. They intend on killing anyone and everyone they can.
I'm done shoving your face in the mud. It's become tiresome.
"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
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Don't start right off with a blatant lie:Quote:
I've been very clear that terrorism is a serious problem, that there are many terrorists, so that is an out-and-out lie. I have also said that they are a minority of the millions AND MILLIONS of peaceful Muslims in the world, but that in no way equates to "hardly even exist".
you claim hardly even exist
Unfortunately for you, everything Mike has said is true. I see DAYS worth of coverage on terrorist attacks, on everything from cable to network to MSNBC to CNN and on. I don't know what you're watching, but it's covered extensively. Hell, Maddow even WENT to Afghanistan for a whle week and talked to the soldiers there, that was her entire program for a full week. Network "reporters" have done the same, and given us blow-by-blow video of the atrocities. How can you begin to say it's not covered? That's insane.
Sure, the news is infotainment manipulation. But if anything, it is geared toward scaring the pants off us and convincing us ALL Muslims are violent terrorists, or would be given half a chance. Ft. Hood, Mumbai, Times Square, they were covered FOR DAYS...how can you claim otherwise? To try to do so is totally absurd and deluded, if you’re serious, which I doubt you are. I think you’d only be happy with wall-to-wall coverage, 24/7 of the atrocities, and nothing less. Got news for you; when the same things happen again and again, they don’t constitute “news” to be focused on, torn apart bit by bit, especially in the midst of an upcoming midterm. It takes the BIG stuff to make the news...and the big stuff does.
You’re disingenuous statement that there is ANYONE who doesn’t know about the terrorist threat is pathetic on the face of the fact that you keep claiming 70% of the population is against the New York Community Center. Why would they fear that and hate the idea so much if they didn’t think Islam equated somehow to terrorism? The bullshit about it being a “victory mosque”, a place for conspirators to gather, yada, yada, is a clear indication of the state of the country: In large part, they have been conditioned to fear and hate anything Muslim.
What we don’t hear about AT ALL, and you can’t deny this, is all the Muslims denouncing terrorism, demonstrating against it, protesting it. How often do we hear about that, and in contrast, how often do we hear the cry that “Muslims should speak out against terrorism!” THAT’s what people are unaware of...terrorism is shoved down our throat virtually daily on every form of media.
In your world, it’s only Muslims who can’t crack under pressure and do horrific things. That’s very sad and extremely bigoted. Americans—NON-Muslim Americans—kill people in multiples all the time, that makes the news too, and they try to profile the “whys” of it just as they do ANY killings...not terrorist killings overseas, but individuals here in America who use Islam as a subconscious rationalization for acting out violently. What about the white guy flying into the IRS? Was HE a Muslim terrorist? What about Jeffrey Dahlmer, or any of the other murderers, or the anti-abortion doctor killers? It’s insane to say that someone raised in our culture, whatever their background, ONLY goes on a rampage and kills people “in the name of Allah”. “In the furtherance of life” is the cry from anti-abortion people; do you really believe that’s their only motivation? Do you really think just any American flies off for psychologically sick reasons, but every Muslim who does so is doing so because he’s Muslim? I’m sure, actually, that you do. Double standards are bullshit.
Mike is also right in that the odds of my being involved in, or even KNOWING anyone involved in, a terrorist attack of any kind are miniscule compared to those of me being killed in an auto accident, raped and killed, robbed and killed, car jacked, or any of the myriad other ways Americans die DAILY. It’s patently irrational to be so obsessed as to think otherwise.
I would actually say “insane” again,
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Well, shit, QQ - Detroit can better those casualty figures any day of the week, this is supposed to impress me...
How, exactly ?
-F
I'll answer. I think the "in the name of god" part is what you are missing. Americans kill each other over money, drugs, and anger. Rarely in the name of god. Rapt's point is that the religion is fostering lots of killers in the name of their god. I think your comment misses the point and may be better off in another thread.
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Don't start right off with a blatant lie:Quote:I've been very clear that terrorism is a serious problem, that there are many terrorists, so that is an out-and-out lie. I have also said that they are a minority of the millions AND MILLIONS of peaceful Muslims in the world, but that in no way equates to "hardly even exist".
you claim hardly even exist
Unfortunately for you, everything Mike has said is true. I see DAYS worth of coverage on terrorist attacks, on everything from cable to network to MSNBC to CNN and on. I don't know what you're watching, but it's covered extensively. Hell, Maddow even WENT to Afghanistan for a whle week and talked to the soldiers there, that was her entire program for a full week. Network "reporters" have done the same, and given us blow-by-blow video of the atrocities. How can you begin to say it's not covered? That's insane.
Sure, the news is infotainment manipulation. But if anything, it is geared toward scaring the pants off us and convincing us ALL Muslims are violent terrorists, or would be given half a chance. Ft. Hood, Mumbai, Times Square, they were covered FOR DAYS...how can you claim otherwise? To try to do so is totally absurd and deluded, if you’re serious, which I doubt you are. I think you’d only be happy with wall-to-wall coverage, 24/7 of the atrocities, and nothing less. Got news for you; when the same things happen again and again, they don’t constitute “news” to be focused on, torn apart bit by bit, especially in the midst of an upcoming midterm. It takes the BIG stuff to make the news...and the big stuff does.
You’re disingenuous statement that there is ANYONE who doesn’t know about the terrorist threat is pathetic on the face of the fact that you keep claiming 70% of the population is against the New York Community Center. Why would they fear that and hate the idea so much if they didn’t think Islam equated somehow to terrorism? The bullshit about it being a “victory mosque”, a place for conspirators to gather, yada, yada, is a clear indication of the state of the country: In large part, they have been conditioned to fear and hate anything Muslim.
What we don’t hear about AT ALL, and you can’t deny this, is all the Muslims denouncing terrorism, demonstrating against it, protesting it. How often do we hear about that, and in contrast, how often do we hear the cry that “Muslims should speak out against terrorism!” THAT’s what people are unaware of...terrorism is shoved down our throat virtually daily on every form of media.
In your world, it’s only Muslims who can’t crack under pressure and do horrific things. That’s very sad and extremely bigoted. Americans—NON-Muslim Americans—kill people in multiples all the time, that makes the news too, and they try to profile the “whys” of it just as they do ANY killings...not terrorist killings overseas, but individuals here in America who use Islam as a subconscious rationalization for acting out violently. What about the white guy flying into the IRS? Was HE a Muslim terrorist? What about Jeffrey Dahlmer, or any of the other murderers, or the anti-abortion doctor killers? It’s insane to say that someone raised in our culture, whatever their background, ONLY goes on a rampage and kills people “in the name of Allah”. “In the furtherance of life” is the cry from anti-abortion people; do you really believe that’s their only motivation? Do you really think just any American flies off for psychologically sick reasons, but every Muslim who does so is doing so because he’s Muslim? I’m sure, actually, that you do. Double standards are bullshit.
Mike is also right in that the odds of my being involved in, or even KNOWING anyone involved in, a terrorist attack of any kind are miniscule compared to those of me being killed in an auto accident, raped and killed, robbed and killed, car jacked, or any of the myriad other ways Americans die DAILY. It’s patently irrational to be so obsessed as to think otherwise.
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If so, I apologize, I had to dig them back up. It would no doubt have been you, whichever misquote I put up...which one, so I can correct it, please?
Why can't you and yours just stick to your own handle and stop proving over and over that you are quite capable of making sockpuppets? What is it that makes you feel you need to come in as "another person" anyway? It's strange.
I have yet to see anything "new" or "improved", by the way...or did the "Question" alias just not work well enough, given we figured it out in about two seconds?
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Your childish sign off tells everyone what sort of petty imbecile you are.
Actually, it tells everyone what kind of petty imbecile YOU are.
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I'm done shoving your face in the mud. It's become tiresome.
In other words, you've got no case, so you're quitting and running away, as usual. "No answers for you." "Death for you."
Y'know, your usual pussified internet tough-guy bullshit.
The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.
AURaptor's Greatest Hits:
Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.
Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, shit, QQ - Detroit can better those casualty figures any day of the week, this is supposed to impress me...
How, exactly ?
-F
I'll answer. I think the "in the name of god" part is what you are missing. Americans kill each other over money, drugs, and anger. Rarely in the name of god. Rapt's point is that the religion is fostering lots of killers in the name of their god. I think your comment misses the point and may be better off in another thread.
I'm sure that comes as a great comfort to the dead.
If FauxNews leaves off "in the name of god" when referring to people like Scott Roeder and David Koresh, and tacks it on when talking about every single crime involving someone with a "Muslim-sounding" name, it doesn't change the nature of the crimes. Lots and lots of American commit crimes "in the name of god". That you're utterly and completely blind to it doesn't change that fact.
The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.
AURaptor's Greatest Hits:
Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.
Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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One could make the case that money, drugs and anger ARE our "Gods" - some days it sure seems so.
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"Ever wonder what the gods think of money, look at the people they give it to..."
-Caine
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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If so, I apologize, I had to dig them back up. It would no doubt have been you, whichever misquote I put up...which one, so I can correct it, please?
Why can't you and yours just stick to your own handle and stop proving over and over that you are quite capable of making sockpuppets? What is it that makes you feel you need to come in as "another person" anyway? It's strange.
I have yet to see anything "new" or "improved", by the way...or did the "Question" alias just not work well enough, given we figured it out in about two seconds?
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
You dumb cunt. How is QQ or the newkanemane me? I think it is someone fucking with you libs. I could start a Niki22 tomorrow and fuck with you. I am 1 person I only post under Kaneman, that there are people who agree...fantastic...Nov. 2nd comes soon.
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Q Q Excellent post.
This video contains extreme violence against a US Marine from nasty muslims.
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The Taliban regime | Return of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-taliban-regime-return-
of-the-islamic-emirate-of-afghanistan/article36407047.ece
Afghan women can study at university but classes must be segregated - Taliban
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/09/afghan-women-can-study-at
-university-but-classes-must-be-segregated-taliban.html
Biden Asks Congress to Rush Afghan Citizenship Before Vetting
https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3301606-b
iden-asks-congress-rush-afghan-citizenship.html
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America's problem isn’t "violent extremism," it's radical Islam
https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3302319-a
mericas-problem-isn-t-violent-extremism.html
Women in Afghanistan will only be allowed to study in universities in gender-segregated classrooms and Islamist mohammedan Sharia Law dress codes?
https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-women-university/3145
6438.html
The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan will cost humanity greatly
https://www.dailynews.com/2021/09/12/the-botched-withdrawal-from-afgha
nistan-will-cost-humanity-greatly/
Afghanistan in 1970 vs 2021. See if you can spot the difference.
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/afghanistan-in-1970-vs-2021-see
-if-you-can-spot-the-difference.919111/
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LOL
This thread title is hilarious.
Niki was Woke before Woke was a thing.
Fuckin' dummy.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Quote:I think if 'humanity' is so greatly concerned, maybe 'humanity' can step up and step in on its own behalf.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
The Taliban regime | Return of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-taliban-regime-return-
of-the-islamic-emirate-of-afghanistan/article36407047.ece
Afghan women can study at university but classes must be segregated - Taliban
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/09/afghan-women-can-study-at
-university-but-classes-must-be-segregated-taliban.html
Biden Asks Congress to Rush Afghan Citizenship Before Vetting
https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3301606-b
iden-asks-congress-rush-afghan-citizenship.htmlQuote:
America's problem isn’t "violent extremism," it's radical Islam
https://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/3302319-a
mericas-problem-isn-t-violent-extremism.html
Women in Afghanistan will only be allowed to study in universities in gender-segregated classrooms and Islamist mohammedan Sharia Law dress codes?
https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-women-university/3145
6438.html
The botched withdrawal from Afghanistan will cost humanity greatly
https://www.dailynews.com/2021/09/12/the-botched-withdrawal-from-afgha
nistan-will-cost-humanity-greatly/
Afghanistan in 1970 vs 2021. See if you can spot the difference.
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/afghanistan-in-1970-vs-2021-see
-if-you-can-spot-the-difference.919111/
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