The Irony of Islamophobia...The rational man's irrational fear...

As a non-muslim Arab myself, I have to say I disagree. I can and do sometimes get funny looks from people. But I have never once recieved so much as a threat, despite living with some people who take the quran's word above all, the worst I can expect of people here is getting shunned. Most muslims are not, despite what you might think, extremesists or fundaentlist, and even the fundamentalist muslims are tolerant of others. Wikipedia defines a phobia as "an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people." and that is exactly what I think islamophobia is. Yes, muslims will get angry whn you burn their holy book, but that is because you are burning their holy book, not because you think something else. I have so far tried to stay away from political and religious discussions on a Firefly forum, but this one hit a bit close to home. I have to say, Kaneman, you are wrong, and it's as simple as that, yes some Muslims have gotten violent, but this is not a part of Islam, this is just a part of human society. Wikipedia, for example lists at least 35 cases of violence against pro-abortion individuals and organizations, because these individuals and organizations believed a different thing from those inciting the violence. And I am sure with minimal research I can find all sorts of violence between beliefs. The problem is not that being a muslim makes you want to hurt people with a different set of beliefs, the problem is that being a human makes you want to hurt people with a different set of beliefs.

edit: wow, I wouldn't want to read that wall of text so tl;dr: kaneman's post is bull

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Kaneman,

Here's 2 recent articles you may find interesting. I don't necessarily subscribe to the messages, but it's good to understand these points of view :


Islam Did Attack Us On 9/11
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/27439


Three Things You Did Not Know About Islam :
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/islamic-jihad/6076-Three-Things-You-
Did-Not-Know-About-Islam.html

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Originally posted by Wagneraude:
...and it's as simple as that, yes some Muslims have gotten violent, but this is not a part of Islam, this is just a part of human society.

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Wagneraude,

Are these parts of Islam as you know it?


Commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped;

Allows husbands to hit their wives;

Allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge – literally an eye for an eye;

Commands that a thief must have a hand cut off;

Commands that homosexuals must be executed;

Orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death;

Orders death for both Muslim and non-Muslim critics of Mohammad, the Qur’an and even Shari’a itself;

Orders apostates to be killed;

Commands offensive, aggressive and unjust Jihad.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
...and again, Christians slaughtered TONS of Muslims, and Jews, during the Crusades, "hundreds of years ago".

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Care to mention why European Christian Crusaders went down to Jerusalem in the first place? Anything to do with responding to the invasion and enslavement of the holy land by Saracens (aka Muslims)?

Also, care to remember what happened 500 years before that? Something about the Moors'(aka Muslims) campaign to dominate and conquer; fortunately stopped in the south of France by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours in 732?

If Martel had lost, there would never have even been such a thing as Western Civilzation today. And you and I and everything we know would never have existed.

Then there was the era of the Barbary Pirates (aka Muslims). We had to destroy them. Commodore Stephen Decatur took care of that problem.

Then various Muslim insurrections throughout history like one in the Phillipines that had to be crushed by General Black Jack Pershing after WWI.

Seems to me like every few hundred years Muslims try to take over the world.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:


Are these parts of Islam as you know it?


Commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped;
while not specifically targeted towards gambling, see Ephesians 5:5-7; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Romans 1:29-32; 1 Corinthians 5:11

Allows husbands to hit their wives;
Deuteronomy 25:11-12; Leviticus 21:9; 1 Peter 3:5

Allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge – literally an eye for an eye;
leviticus 24:19-24:21; exodus 21:22-21:25; deuteronomy 19:21-19:21

Commands that a thief must have a hand cut off;
damn, you got me on this one

Commands that homosexuals must be executed;
Leviticus 20:13

Orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death;

Orders death for both Muslim and non-Muslim critics of Mohammad, the Qur’an and even Shari’a itself;

Orders apostates to be killed;

Commands offensive, aggressive and unjust Jihad.

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Is this christianity as you know it?

Now, you might have noticed that I lost some steam at the end there, this is because I am not a muslim apologist, I am saying that the systematic fear of an entire culture is unjust and simply not smart. Kaneman's first sentence is absolutely true, it is a stupid fucking question to ask whether you should fear muslims, the answer is, quite simply, no.

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Originally posted by Wagneraude:
Is this Christianity as you know it?

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No.
But it is happening today in Islamic theocracies like Iran. Whipping, stoning, hangings, ect., etc, and killing homosexuals.

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Now, you might have noticed that I lost some steam at the end there, this is because I am not a muslim apologist, I am saying that the systematic fear of an entire culture is unjust and simply not smart. Kaneman's first sentence is absolutely true, it is a stupid fucking question to ask whether you should fear muslims, the answer is, quite simply, no.

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I appreciate you responding to the questions asked, and you certainly do not have to apologize for Muslims. Like to know if you agree or disagree with the previous article I posted about the 3 things people don't know about Islam. Is this what Muslims are taught inside mosques?

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