Obama Paradox
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Thursday, July 29, 2010 03:01
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It's a paradox.
Damn...I thought this thread was about going back in time and killing Obama's dad or Obama going back in time to kill Hitler or something like that.
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After ramming an illegal and unConstitutional ObamaCare down the peoples throats... after spending their money to bail out compainies undeserving of continuation... after attempting to socialize everything... the free American people hate us?
How can THAT be?
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
After ramming an illegal and unConstitutional ObamaCare down the peoples throats... after spending their money to bail out compainies undeserving of continuation... after attempting to socialize everything... the free American people hate us?
How can THAT be?
When you speak of bailouts for companies that shouldn't have been allowed to continue, you are no doubt speaking of Halliburton and Blackwater, right? After all, they wouldn't have continued to exist without their welfare handouts...
And again, I find it odd that you uttered not one peep in protest during the previous eight years. But, as you said before, you were "asleep". Maybe we should call you Rip Van Wulfie, since you're capable of sleeping through entire Republican administrations!
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
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Anti: we’ll have to agree to disagree. Facts have shown that tax cuts for the rich do NOT decrease the deficit, nor do they increase anyone else’s wealth but the already wealthy. Tax cuts for everyone, when the economy is stable, help everyone, granted. But trickle-down does not work, end of story, from all I have researched.
Take away the two wars Bush started and his tax cuts, and tax cuts, and look where we might be:
Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts (along with the economic downturn) are what is driving the U.S. deficit, not stimulus spending.Quote:
Some critics continue to assert that President George W. Bush’s policies bear little responsibility for the deficits the nation faces over the coming decade — that, instead, the new policies of President Barack Obama and the 111th Congress are to blame. Most recently, a Heritage Foundation paper downplayed the role of Bush-era policies (for more on that paper, see p. 4). Nevertheless, the fact remains: Together with the economic downturn, the Bush tax cuts and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain virtually the entire deficit over the next ten years (see Figure 1).
The deficit for fiscal year 2009 was $1.4 trillion and, at nearly 10 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), was the largest deficit relative to the size of the economy since the end of World War II. If current policies are continued without changes, deficits will likely approach those figures in 2010 and remain near $1 trillion a year for the next decade.
The events and policies that have pushed deficits to these high levels in the near term, however, were largely outside the new Administration’s control. If not for the tax cuts enacted during the presidency of George W. Bush that Congress did not pay for, the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that were initiated during that period, and the effects of the worst economic slump since the Great Depression (including the cost of steps necessary to combat it), we would not be facing these huge deficits in the near term.
While President Obama inherited a dismal fiscal legacy, that does not diminish his responsibility to propose policies to address our fiscal imbalance and put the weight of his office behind them. Although policymakers should not tighten fiscal policy in the near term while the economy remains fragile, they and the nation at large must come to grips with the nation’s long-term deficit problem. But we should not mistake the causes of our predicament.
Recession Caused Sharp Deterioration in Budget Outlook
Whoever won the presidency in 2008 was going to face a grim fiscal situation, a fact already well known as the presidential campaign got underway. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) presented a sobering outlook in its 2008 summer update,[1] and during the autumn, the news got relentlessly worse. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) that became embroiled in the housing meltdown, failed in early September; two big financial firms — AIG and Lehman Brothers — collapsed soon thereafter; and others teetered. In December 2008, the National Bureau of Economic Research confirmed that the nation was in recession and pegged the starting date as December 2007. By the time CBO issued its new projections on January 7, 2009 — two weeks before Inauguration Day — it had already put the 2009 deficit at well over $1 trillion.[2]
The recession battered the budget, driving down tax revenues and swelling outlays for unemployment insurance, food stamps, and other safety-net programs.[3] Using CBO’s August 2008 projections as a benchmark, we calculate that the changed economic outlook accounts for over $400 billion of the deficit each year in 2009 through 2011 and slightly smaller amounts in subsequent years. Those effects persist; even in 2018, the deterioration in the economy since the summer of 2008 will account for over $2
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I don't get it?
Ok.
1. I don't agree with waterboarding, its pointless as an interogation tool (like all torture is.) Plus, in any war, you must always keep the moral high ground... and its just disgusting that we would do something like that.
2. The Patriot Act. I never supported it. Ron Paul never supported it. But to a T, almost every single Democrat AND Republican did.
3. Im not a Republican. Im center right overall, like the rest of the country. Some of my views are VERY conservative, but that doesnt make me a neo-con, a Republican or a Vulcan. They are just MY views.
4. back to the Patriot Act. Obama has not gotten rid of it, has he? In fact, if I remember correctly, he authorized the military to kill American citizens SUSPECTED of "terrorist" ties.
5. Continuation of bail-outs, holding the housing market in a stand-still, continuing unemployment benefits, and regulating business only DEEPEN our financial hole. Not to mention TRILLIONS spent on easily corrupted programs that do nothing.
Like ObamaCare. How much has been spent on that garbage already?
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
5. continuing unemployment benefits, and regulating business only DEEPEN our financial hole.
For not being a lock-stepping neo-con, you sure do like to parrot their bullshit for them.
Sorry son, but math disagrees with you.
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Well, I'll agree with your first three, although you're hardly "right" and you're DEFINITELY a high RWA. I'm glad you at least feel the way you do about the first two.
Once again, ignoring any potential good that's been done, you focus on your favorite talking points. The question was why hasn't Obama and his administration gotten ANY credit for the good things they've done, but I realize that's not the question you want to answer. So be it. You already know I feel the same about most of the things you enumerated in #4 & 5; that's not the question. Aren't you constantly complaining about people turning the subject and not answering the question(s) posed? Or did I miss something?
Regulating business increases the debt, eh? You don't see lack of regulation as being part of what put us here, you know, with derivatives and such, obviously. Huh, your reasoning escapes me.
If you want to know what I call you a high RWA, you said it yourself: "extending unemployment":Quote:
That about covers it.
What reasons do high RWAs give for giving equality short-shrift? Well, they say, ultimately complete equality is a pipe dream. Natural forces inevitably govern the worth of the individual. And people should have to earn their places in society, not get any free rides. The poor can pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they really want to. Lots of people have, haven’t they?
Given all of this, do you trust him when he says he’s in favor of a level playing field? He’s against programs that would give the disadvantaged a better chance. Does he really believe the poor can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, or is he content to let them face an uphill struggle that very few can overcome? It doesn’t bother the high RWA that masses of people are poor. That’s their tough luck. And some racial groups are just naturally inferior to others, he says.![]()
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What is an RWA?
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"The Patriot Act. I never supported it. Ron Paul never supported it. But to a T, almost every single Democrat AND Republican did."
Hello,
This is a place where I recall widespread dissent, so this statement would appear to be fallacious.
--Anthony
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As to the "good" hes done. Its soo far outweighed by the bad as to not even be mentioned.
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