Obama Paradox

WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 26, 2010 4:25 PM

ObamaCare.

The government will now control your healthcare, will force you to buy into it.

The same people who control the terrorist watchlist, run the DMV, run the Fed Reserve, the CIA, the FBI, and control taxes...

will also control how, when and where you get health care.

Does anyone else have a problem with this?

For me, and those I associate with... yes, we have a huge problem with this.

Damn this government.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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WULFENSTAR

Monday, July 26, 2010 4:41 PM

Even your girl is starting to be against Obama.

Replace AlQueda with Tea Party, BrownCoats, Libertarians, Republicans, anyone who doesnt agree with Obama.....

"Reshape the standards that apply..."

Im wondering when and where the final straw will happen.

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, July 26, 2010 4:59 PM

Niki,

Thanks for the list. It's a place to start.

Rap pretty much nailed it here. We do not disagree that Obama did these things. We disagree that they were things that should have been done. (with a couple common sense exceptions)

So far my analysis of Obama's achievement:

1. 10% things that needed doing
2. 20% things that anyone would do as president, regardless of whether they needed doing.
3. 30% things that should have been done very differently
4. 30% things that probably shouldn't have been done
5. 10% really scary stuff that should never have been done

Here's the scary part: The left appears to actualyl believe that the right doesn't agree with Obama on the grounds of race. This sort of logic can lead to a level of blind obedience that will never be able to question the president.

Once more I'm reminded that the right in america has more guts: republicans could actually speak out against bush.

For the record, sure, there are a handful of loons who will oppose obama for being black. the media will make much of theses people, because the media loves obama, less than they did, but still a lot more than they would any republican.

Still, the racist opponents of obama are probably less numerous than people who oppose bush simply for being a southerner, or from texas. I have actually heard people say "bah ron paul=george bush=texas" so, yeah, i think that exists. Actually, probably the most racism you're hearing about obama is really coming from the "he's a secret muslim" corner of lunacy.

Still, that's not a debate, it's worrisome that some people's minds are there, on either side.

Oh, and River has a point as well: Obama is still campaigning, and never really kicked into management mode. He seems far more concerned with how a bill *looks* to the public than what it actually *does*. I think this is responsible for #3 above.

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NIKI2

Monday, July 26, 2010 5:27 PM

You're forgetting a couple of things, Wulf:

a) She's not "my girl"...she's just the one journalist I've noted who has her people do her homoework, so I trust her more than I trust a lot of MSM. I don't trust the MSM in general, but history has shown she's pretty reliable most of the time.

b) She, and SOME others on MSM (I don't include that stupid Ed Whoever, but Chris Matthews, SOMETIMES Olbermann, and definitely Maddow), have ALWAYS been willing to call it like it is where Obama's concerned, and disagree with him quite openly when they feel it's appropriate.

c) The detention thing sickens me as much as anyone. As does his not dealing with Gitmo, the Patriot Act, "Homeland Security", the wars and more. She's also been quite vocal on those points and more.

I've yet to see such things on FauxNews, which is one reason I don't trust them.

Thank you, DT. Actually, I agree with your percentages for the most part, I'm no blind fan of Obama and never have been, my question was more "why is it all black and black?"

I believe he's done some good things that other Presidents haven't, be they needed doing or not in others' views.

I also disagree about campaigining. I see it differently, and have from the beginning. It is only to me my worst fears about Obama from the start proving themselves right (remember, I didn't vote for him in the Primary). I feared he was too much of a newbie and didn't have the experience dealing with Washington tactics; that he would be swayed by his desire to be "nonpartisan", accept too much compromise, and be pushed around by his advisors. That's what I see having come true, unfortuantely.

I think he actually DOES want to do some of the things he's proposed right...as in the public option for healthcare. I see him as having cowtowed to the right in almost everything in the hopes of getting agreements that were never going to happen, and given in to international pressure on things international (prime example being the whaling ban) in order to gain favor with countries who will never do so (and in turn, it just makes him look weak to the rest of the world). I think he IS weak, but I don't see it as "continuing to campaign", I see it as someone who's not getting things done the way they SHOULD be and not getting done some things that SHOULD be, because he's too stuck on compromise and too willing to follow his advisors.

I also see the Republicans, with their strategy of "party of no" as not being part of the process, of merely trying to stymie everything and corrupt what they couldn't stymie by playing on his (all too obvious) desire to be nonpartisan (as in healthcare, as only one example of many). IF they hadn't determined to be nothing but a roadblock, I think some of the things that have been done could have been done much better, and more having been able to be done.

At least I'm glad to hear from someone who acknowledges it's not all TOTALLY black. I'm sure you give him no points for at least trying to tackle things nobody else has, like the third rail of healthcare, education, infrastructure, DADT, etc. I do. C'est la vie.

I also agree about the racists being in the minority--tho' I would add the "subconscious racists" as making it a slightly bigger minority than you might believe. I believe they've been used by those with the agenda of destroying this administration without realizing they are acting against their own best interests.

I think the Tea Party has been the same, especially as in large part the people interviewed at the demonstrations can't clearly elucidate why they're against him and know little or nothing about policy. They've been fired up, they get press, but I discount them as WORSE newbies and some crackpots who aren't sure what they want and are less sure of what they believe (as in "he's taking away our guns" when gun laws have actually been expanded, and "he's raised taxes" when taxes have been lowered).

I believe there's enough blame to go all around, from Obama to administration