A well armed society is a polite one.

"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
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Hello,

There are a lot of myths about the Wild West, and specifically about rowdy towns like Abilene. Most of those myths are perpetuated by us gun-lovers.

It's true that the town of Abilene (population 3,411 in 1900) had a lower murder rate than many modern cities. But at the same time, it wasn't the sort of town most of us gun lovers and Wild West aficionados imagine it to be.

In a town as small as Abilene, the murder rate per 100,000 people may not be significant to our debate. Their population is so tiny compared to a modern city, that a straight statistical comparison may be invalid. (Ruined, as it is, by the small sampling.) And there are other factors that make it a questionable comparison for our purposes.

For instance, I can carry a gun on my hip and walk down the streets in broad daylight in my modern home of Phoenix, Arizona.

I couldn't do that in Abilene, however.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWabiline.htm


"(4) Abilene Chronicle (8th June, 1871)

The Chief of Police (Bill Hickok) has posted up printed notices, informing all persons that the ordinance against carrying fire arms or other weapons in Abilene, will be enforced. That's right. There's no bravery in carrying revolvers in a civilized community. Such a practice is well enough and perhaps necessary when among Indians or other barbarians, but among white people it ought to be discountenanced."


I prefer living in modern-day Phoenix. Less gun control here, even if our murder rate is higher.

--Anthony



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It was my understanding that gun ownership in the west was actually rather rare until after 1865 or so bc the typical settler was too poor to buy. However, a bunch of PTSD soldiers flooded the west after the Civil War and took their guns with them. AT THAT POINT, THE MURDER RATE SHOT UP (so to speak).

Also, after the Civil War, Colt saw its revenues plummet, so it went on a campaign to arm the West. Gun ownership zoomed up bc of that. I'll see if I can find the original paper.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
d17-Dispelling-the-myth-of-The-Wild-West

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Hello,

There are a lot of myths about the Wild West, and specifically about rowdy towns like Abilene. Most of those myths are perpetuated by us gun-lovers.

It's true that the town of Abilene (population 3,411 in 1900) had a lower murder rate than many modern cities. But at the same time, it wasn't the sort of town most of us gun lovers and Wild West aficionados imagine it to be.

In a town as small as Abilene, the murder rate per 100,000 people may not be significant to our debate. Their population is so tiny compared to a modern city, that a straight statistical comparison may be invalid. (Ruined, as it is, by the small sampling.) And there are other factors that make it a questionable comparison for our purposes.

For instance, I can carry a gun on my hip and walk down the streets in broad daylight in my modern home of Phoenix, Arizona.

I couldn't do that in Abilene, however.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWabiline.htm


"(4) Abilene Chronicle (8th June, 1871)

The Chief of Police (Bill Hickok) has posted up printed notices, informing all persons that the ordinance against carrying fire arms or other weapons in Abilene, will be enforced. That's right. There's no bravery in carrying revolvers in a civilized community. Such a practice is well enough and perhaps necessary when among Indians or other barbarians, but among white people it ought to be discountenanced."


I prefer living in modern-day Phoenix. Less gun control here, even if our murder rate is higher.

--Anthony



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Huh. Gun control in the wild west, eh? And by Wild Bill Hickock his own self. And aimed at WHITE people, no less.

Go figure. Maybe the good old days weren't really all that good...

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Hello Signy,

This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

I still believe in gun ownership and the right to defense, but I try not to prop up my opinion with bullshit anymore. It's clear to me that there's more to a safe society than either giving everyone a gun or taking them all away. There's much more important stuff going on between the ears than there is going on in the hand.

--Anthony



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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
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All that proves is how SHOCKING the murder rate is in some of your cities.

A quick comparison of some of your cities with some European cities in the late 90's.

CITY

MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9

Something is happening, n'est ce pas?

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Hello Signy,

This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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No wonder they call you a liberal!

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I still believe in gun ownership and the right to defense

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And that is why I own a short-barreled shotgun. For home defense.

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It's clear to me that there's more to a safe society than either giving everyone a gun or taking them all away. There's much more important stuff going on between the ears than there is going on in the hand.

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Oh, thank god! You have just said in a few short words what I've been trying to say in so many!!

THANK YOU!!

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