A well armed society is a polite one.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:26 PM

Well, you have to start somewhere.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

ANTHONYT

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I put forth this philosophy as a way of fleshing it out with multiple opinions. I do that a lot here.

So the concensus is: Violence as a deterrant to impolite behavior is detremental to society as a whole in that:

1. You will have people shot over "meaningless" words.

2. Being polite should be a gift, and not a "forced" one, out of fear.

Good to know.

I agree.

Tho grant me this one small favor.

The societies where politness was harshly dealt with (i.e. the Japanese samurai eras, and the American West) DID have their positives.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

Hello,

Yes. Being beheaded by a Samurai for failing to bow respectfully did create an orderly and compliant society.

Just not a better one.

--Anthony

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KWICKO

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Yes. Being beheaded by a Samurai for failing to bow respectfully did create an orderly and compliant society.

Just not a better one.

Similarly, the idea that anyone wearing the skull insignia of the Waffen SS could demand your papers, please, at any given moment for any reason at all, or no reason at all, made for quite a compliant and polite populace. Heck, they were so polite they even offered special camps and showers for their Jewish population.

And yes, Wulf, it IS a start. But what is it the start OF? A polite society, or a compliant one, easily led to slaughter?

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ANTHONYT

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:33 PM

"So, maybe, the idea behind the phrase "A well armed society is a polite society" has LESS to do with being "polite" (in terms of speech, opening a door for a lady) and more along the lines of "polite" in the sense of violent crime.

Being "polite" = not raping, robbing, hurting, or killing each other."

Hello,

I think all these things happened in both the honorable Samurai eras and the adventurous American West.

Having arms gives you the means to resist, but it's not a shield against lawlessness.

--Anthony

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KWICKO

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:36 PM

Heck, those things ARE happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, thanks to our importing our "well-armed, polite society" to those countries...

WULFENSTAR

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:38 PM

"Yes. Being beheaded by a Samurai for failing to bow respectfully did create an orderly and compliant society."

HEY! I watched SHOGUN too... :)

... and I would argue that the society failed in large part when they no longer allowed commoners to rise to the level of Samurai.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

BYTEMITE

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:44 PM

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If I insult your wife, and then kill you in a duel, is everything I said about your wife assumed to be true? Or am I still a shit-flinging monkey, just one who's faster on the draw than you are?

But the honorable hero doesn't die in this kind of thing! Even if he's vastly out of his league, and not even using his weapon of choice (or even a weapon he has any idea how to use), the universe will bend its knee to make sure that the right, good outcome happens.

Of course, black and white morality will still be preserved, by the hero not finishing off the dishonorable foe, who makes a parting shot that clearly demonstrates how dishonorable he is, and that the heroes actions were fully justified, and he goes off to plot and scheme his revenge against the hero for a later date.

So that means if the guy defending the ladies honour died, well, it actually must mean he was a really nasty piece of work, and so is his bitchy lady, who then becomes the schemer.

This is Tropes 101, and always true, always. People are never layered, and there's only one correct side of the story, the winner, who is never wrong.

PIZMOBEACH

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"I've never even considered whipping out one of my guns to try to get people to be polite. If they aren't threatening the lives of me and my family, there's absolutely no need for guns to enter the equation. And if they ARE threatening us, there's no need for polite talk about it."

I agree 100%.

So, maybe, the idea behind the phrase "A well armed society is a polite society" has LESS to do with being "polite" (in terms of speech, opening a door for a lady) and more along the lines of "polite" in the sense of violent crime.

Being "polite" = not raping, robbing, hurting, or killing each other.

.... and the shoe drops.

This was my point all along since I read some crash piece against an armed society.

Heh, I love it when a plan comes together.

:)

You premise has your usual extra amount of wishful thinking as a basis. By an "armed society" I take it you mean arming the good guys? Or does it mean everyone has access to guns?

Try this little twist on your slogan: "An educated society is a polite society." And you can extend that to "not raping, robbing, hurting, or killing each other."

Here's something close to home that's far more powerful than any of your guns:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local.html

"D.C. schools fire 226 teachers"

Chancellor Michelle Rhee puts another 737 'minimally effective' educators on notice.

That women is either insane or the most courageous person in DC or both - she gets my vote either way.

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WULFENSTAR

Friday, July 23, 2010 5:58 PM

Michelle Rhee... I love this chick.

Of course shes getting hammered by the Unions and the PC, liberal elite...

But, shes got teeth, and seems to be standing her ground.

I hope she wins, and DC public schools are the better for it.

For a nice education in the way things really are... volunteer at some of the hood schools in your area.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

ANTHONYT

Friday, July 23, 2010 6:02 PM

"... and I would argue that the society failed in large part when they no longer allowed commoners to rise to the level of Samurai."

Hello Wulf,

I think you misunderstand. Society failed in large part when it created Samurai in the first place. An elite not answerable to the people over whom they held dominion.

It is when you make statements like this that it lends credence to Frem's criticisms. It suggests Samurai would be okay just so long as you get to advance from your common position to join their ranks.

"HEY! I watched SHOGUN too... :)"

I know you did. I can tell. What dismays me most often, Wulf, is that you and I aren't that different.

I used to have gleeful heroic fantasies filled with violent acts against deserving evildoers. It's just that one day, years ago, I woke up and realized there was something wrong with how my brain was working. And so, I strove to change the way I was thinking. I used to think what happened to me was a natural process of maturing from an impulsive youth to a true adult. I figured everyone must go through the same adjustment. But lately I've come to realize that this evolution of thought has nothing to do with age. Else you and I could not come to such vastly different conclusions while occupying the same age bracket.

--Anthony

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