Rumsfeld, Bush approved Iraq torture policy
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Friday, October 29, 2004 15:24
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^^^ Your knowledge of military life leaves much to be learned.
And I'd post another link to Congress.org about the DRAFT controversy .. but they deleted it. Someone let me know if any American websites actually provides information aside of hiding it.
Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&cont
ent_dir=ua_congressorg
You see... there is talk of LEGISLATION! That's called a draft.
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I'm not exactly up on this particular issue and haven't verified this article, but having read quite a few of his posts, I trust that Ghoulman did that before posting it. I just noticed that of all 15 sponsors for this legislation, there is not a single Republican... That makes it a little bit hard to believe this is coming from the Bush Camp.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
In the House there is H.R. 163, which was introduced last year by Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.). It was referred to the House Armed Services Committee and the House Subcommittee on Total Force.
H.R. 163 has 14 co-sponsors, including Reps. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), Donna M. Christensen (D-Va.), John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), Alcee L. Hastings (D-Fla.), John Lewis (D-Ga.), James P. Moran (D-Va.), Fortney “Pete” Stark (D-Calif.) Corrine Brown (D-Fla.), William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas.), Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-D.C.), and Nydia M. Velazquez (D-N.Y.).
::shrug:: Just an observation, as I'm not informed enough on this particular issue to have a real opinion.
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edited, as the post with the offensive (and particularly gruesome) pictures has been removed.
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^^^ huh? Wha? What link? Thanks for the info... Dems, gotta love 'em. Hypocrites to the core. 
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... oh, sorry that the title of this thread isn't THE DRAFT, as I wanted. I emailed Haken a few times but he just ignores me.
More draft news, which is hard to find in the press these days. Lately, someone actually had the guts to ask that old rummy Rumsfled about it, he shook a little and waved his hands... not sure what that means.
Oh, and we Canadians have already recieved a few Americans looking for refugee status and to avoid service in yet another illegal war.
I wonder if any Military folks moe informed than I could comment on this...
What happens during a Draft?
Sequence of Events
Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United States returned to a draft:
1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which starts a draft.
2. THE LOTTERY
A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. 18-year-olds and those turning 19 would probably not be drafted.
3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.
4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.
5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.
6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.
Information Courtesy of Selective Service
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Yeah and Kerry said in an e-mail to AARP that he's going to eliminate Social Security immediately upon eleciton. 
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^^^ What does that mean?
Anyho'...
US 'must raise troop numbers' to fulfil commitments
FINANCIAL TIMES, FT.com
By Peter Spiegel in London
Published: September 26 2004 22:43 | Last updated: September 26 2004 22:43
A Pentagon-appointed panel has found that the US military will not be able to maintain its current peacekeeping commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan without a significant increase in the size of the armed forces or scaling back the objectives of the stabilisation missions.
Click here for more...
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/4942f080-1004-11d9-ba62-00000e2511c8.html
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Congresswoman Wants Probe Of Re-Enlistment Tactics
Degette: Soldiers Said They Were Strong-Armed Into Staying In Military
POSTED: 7:53 pm EDT September 27, 2004
PENTAGON -- A Colorado congresswoman is asking for an investigation into claims that Iraq war veterans nearing the end of their service are being strong-armed into re-enlisting.
Democratic Congresswoman Diana Degette says she's heard from several soldiers who said they were asked if they want to re-enlist or go back to Iraq. She also cited reports of those complaints published in two Colorado newspapers.
Degette has asked the House Armed Services Committee to investigate. She wants to know whether the "White House or civilian Pentagon officials are pressuring the military to use coercive tactics to get soldiers to re-enlist in order to maintain the force levels necessary to fight the war in Iraq and war on terror."
Pentagon officials deferred comment to Fort Carson, Colo., which denied any effort to coerce soldiers into re-enlisting.
Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press.
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... and Haken still hasn't changed this thread to THE DRAFT. Sorry. 
Bush has no choice but to reinstate draft
October 26, 2004
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/vnews/display.v?TARGET=printable&article
_id=417dc4f39c1c8
President Bush may or may not have a secret plan to reinstate the draft. But this is beside the point. The deteriorating facts on the ground in Iraq, plus the Bush doctrine of acting pre-emptively and unilaterally against hostile regimes, will soon leave him no choice. If President Bush is re-elected, he will have to restart the draft.
Indeed, President Bush has already imposed Stage 1 of a new draft. Many soldiers whose enlistment period is up are not being allowed to leave the service, and those who left the service years ago are being forced to put on the uniform again against their will. It is clear that we already have a backdoor draft.
President Bush has effectively ended the all-volunteer military.
Sen. Tom Harkin
.... go to the article for the rest.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
... and Haken still hasn't changed this thread to THE DRAFT. Sorry.
Bush has no choice but to reinstate draft
October 26, 2004
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/vnews/display.v?TARGET=printable&article
_id=417dc4f39c1c8
President Bush may or may not have a secret plan to reinstate the draft. But this is beside the point. The deteriorating facts on the ground in Iraq, plus the Bush doctrine of acting pre-emptively and unilaterally against hostile regimes, will soon leave him no choice. If President Bush is re-elected, he will have to restart the draft.
Indeed, President Bush has already imposed Stage 1 of a new draft. Many soldiers whose enlistment period is up are not being allowed to leave the service, and those who left the service years ago are being forced to put on the uniform again against their will. It is clear that we already have a backdoor draft.
President Bush has effectively ended the all-volunteer military.
Sen. Tom Harkin
.... go to the article for the rest.
I though this "Stage 1" draft stuff has already been talked about.
Each member of the Armed Services has an IRR component to their enlistment. Whenever you enlist, you actually "owe" the government a total of 8 years of service time. So if you are in for 2, 3 or 4 years of active service, you can spend the balance of it in the real Reserves or in IRR status. If you are IRR that you can be obligated to be called up. Why? B/C you have more training than an average Joe/Jane draft inductee. It makes sense for the country and the government to call up people who have some familiarity with what they are doing.
This other thing with holding troops back past their end of enlistment discharge date isn't anything new either. It's happened everytime there is a major national conflict or a major deployment.
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