The Seven Minutes

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SUCCATASH

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:07 AM

Ok, Bush is going to win the election, because we Anti-Bush people can't get organized and unite to defeat him.

Yes, that means voting for John Kerry, it's the only way. Yes, it's the lesser of two evils.

But if I had a choice, I'd rather lose a finger than my Little 'Tash. Uh, I'm trying to make the point that sometimes the "lesser of two evils" is the logical choice when trying to accomplish a goal.

My goal is to remove Bush from office. Therefore, I will vote for John Kerry. That's reality. I don't see any other realistic way to remove Bush from office. Voting for Nader does not help me accomplish my goal.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:16 AM

I GOTTA respond to this. The WTC is/was a fixed target. Very big, very not moving at all. Whether a hijacker flies a plane into it @ 8:45, 9:13 or 10:37...really isn't that big an issue. The point is to make a big plane hit a stationary object. Period.
Now, take a situation like a President's VERY mobile, tight schedule. Drive to school, listen to kids read stories, glad hand teachers/adults , snap snap..take some photos..zoom, gone and off to the next stop. Imagine flying @ several hundred mph in a large airliner, thousands of ft in the air... trying to figure out distance and air speed velocity ( yes, much like in Monty Python ) and then trying to determine where a President is SCHEDULED to be, hoping he's ON schedule..all the while trying to find a non discript little 1 story school building from all those OTHER buildings around it. It takes MONTHS to plan, train and carry out such a coordinated attack..and you expect a terrorist is gonna know where the President is gonna be on a certain day? at a certain time ? ...3,4,6 months in advance?

Lets not give terrorist more credit than for what they already did . Shocking is one thing, but lets be real here. The Secret Service didn't have any reason to think that an airliner would be bearing down on them at an elementary school in Florida when NYC and Washington DC were under attack. As long as the President was inside, surrounded by them.... he was fine. It was far better to sit tight and plan their next move as more info came in, than to blindly bolt out of there like a chicken w/ its head cut off.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

TIGER

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:32 AM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
My goal is to remove Bush from office.

Tash,

I know why I don't like Bush (and Kerry and Nader), but you're obviously a anybody-but-Bush guy.

What don't you like about him? Is it just him or republicans in general? Just curious where other browncoats fall politically...

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...The beauty of things was born before eyes and sufficient to itself; the heart-breaking beauty
Will remain when there is no heart to break for it.

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:46 AM

Thank you AURaptor for actually answering my question and giving a plausable explaination for that half hour. It still feels wrong to me that the Secret Service would not assume the worst and have gotten the President to a secure area immediately. But your explaination is logical. I really was interested in what a lot of relatively sensible Fireflyfans thought about the actions of the Secret Service on 9/11. Thanks again for taking me seriously.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

SGTGUMP

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:15 AM

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The sad truth is that in the current system, a Libertarian vote is a throw away vote. And there is just too much at stake in a national presidential election -- especially this one -- to throw away your vote.
Make your votes count, folks!

I think that if you don't vote for the person you think should be president, you are throwing away your vote. I can't rationalize endorsing someone for president that I don't beleive will do the best job. My vote is the only voice I'll have in this election, and I can only vote once. I need to use it to show others where I stand.
I am also a Dallas cowboys fan, but I'm not ashamed of it.

"I love you dream woman." - Garth

SUCCATASH

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tiger:
Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
My goal is to remove Bush from office.
Tash,

I know why I don't like Bush (and Kerry and Nader), but you're obviously a anybody-but-Bush guy.

What don't you like about him? Is it just him or republicans in general?

Wow, what a can of worms you are opening in HK's thread. Not sure this is the place. I've written several anti-Bush posts here on FFF, and some of them I regret because other Browncoats have made me wiser.

The Bush Admin. is trying to make me scared of the world, but instead I'm scared of Bush.

I'm going to use the F word:

Bush has fucked everything up. He is fucking EVERYBODY up - the whole world. His attitude is insane, "Bring it on!" "You're with us or against us!" and therefore anyone who disagrees is unAmerican and doesn't support the troops. Well that's bullshit. Americans have lost their rights. Bush wants to change the constitution and force Christianity into the bedroom of consenting adults.

Bush has made more terrorists by his actions, the entire world feels hatred and disgust for the USA, he needs to go, and then we can figure out how to fix things. We need to keep the tragedy that was the Bush Admin. from happening again.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:29 AM

Anyone still think they'll have the chance to vote in November?

MELEAUX

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:29 AM

I love firefly and I love calling myself a browncoat. I am sorry to say that threads like these make me sad to visit this websight. I just want to read about favorite quotes and favorite scenes, maybe pick up some news about the upcoming movie. "I love my president. You guys are so mad. Why is everybody yelling."

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

SUCCATASH

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by meleaux:
I am sorry to say that threads like these make me sad to visit this websight. I just want to read about favorite quotes and favorite scenes, maybe pick up some news about the upcoming movie.

Meleaux! We love you and need you to stick around but maybe you should stay away from this Category:

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:12 AM

Meleaux, Firefly depicts members of a defeated and disbanded army trying to make a living in resource rich but economically chaotic worlds. Avoiding rabid criminals and a ruthless military machine. Trying to live by the ideals with which they were brought up. Just everyday life in Iraq.

I think I just OT'd to Joss' Politics, but that's Election Year for you

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