The Seven Minutes

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SERGEANTX

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:23 PM

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Originally posted by BlueSunWorshipper:
Nope. I'd have to say he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. He had no clue what to do. The man's not a leader, he's a robot. A freakin' Republican android. He was probably waiting around to see if his daddy would call and tell him what to do. Considering that he made the decision to go to war in Iraq, I assume he got that call.

Weapons of Mass Destruction? We don't need no Weapons of Mass Destruction. We don't need no steenkeeng Weapons of Mass Destruction.

- T

Whatever. I wasn't saying anything about his leadership. Personally, I think he's a proven failure at that. I was just commenting that Moore's portrayal of the situation, and his documentary in general, did less to convince me of that than my own casual observations of the events has.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

BLUESUNWORSHIPPER

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:26 PM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
No clue what to do. Darn right! What do you you do in that situation? huh? You're sitting in front of a classroom of hungry kids and some guy in black leans over and says, "People are dead. Thousands of them. There are planes flying around that may just take out the nation. I'll give you a minute to take that in and then I have orders to get you in the air and safe. okay. What would you like me to do first?"

I'm a reaction person, so I would have jumped up and screamed maybe tried to hurt myself or someone else. I would be mad. I'd want to take some kind of action. But would that be the right thing to do? Would I be cristised for attacking people? Should we shoot down all the planes currently in the air just in case? Should I ignore this and stay with the kids? Should we return to the white House and face the possibilty of an attack? i mean, what do you do? i am not a big Bush fan, but I feel for people that are in insane situations, and that was one insane situation.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

Sure. Except that he's supposed to be the leader of the greatest country on Earth, and is SUPPOSED to know what to do in a situation like this. Find out the facts. Take an assessment. Get advice from his staff. Let's take action.

No, the man sits on his ass and reads a book to a class full of "hungry children." He doesn't take action, he doesn't get more information. He sits around waiting for someone to tell him what to do. Oh, and by the way, they didn't look all that hungry to me. If they were, and considering that Florida is run by Bush's brother Jeb, I think they BOTH need to look for another job.

We went from being a trusted and respected ally to the world BEFORE 9/11. Looked at with sympathy and understanding DURING 9/11...and turned into the most hated nation on the planet AFTER 9/11, all because of our president and the decisions he made.

Tell me again that you feel sorry for the man. I'm not mad at him for not knowing what to do in that situation, I'm angry at him for everything he did after that.

Fortunately, a LOT of other people are, too. I don't care who wins in 2004, so long as it's anybody but Bush.

- T

BLUESUNWORSHIPPER

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:32 PM

Hey, you asked.

CALHOUN

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:36 PM

Secret service would surely have started monitoring the skies as soon as they became aware of the situation. In any event terrorists flying into LARGE monuments is one thing but flying into a little grade school somewhere... surely that would be hard to find.

TIGER

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:41 PM

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Originally posted by HKCAVALIER:
...it stands to reason at the very least that the members of the Secret Service guarding the President that morning knew ahead of time the extent of the attacks. They knew the terrorists posed no threat to the President down in Florida. So, somebody briefed them, somebody knew.

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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
If you really believe that, I think your in need of a serious reality check.

BarnStormer may not have chosen the best way to express it, but his sentiment is correct.

When posing the opinion that GWB planned and authorized the 9/11 attacks (or at least knew about them beforehand), you really need to ask "What does he have to gain?"

Some people might say it's fat government contracts for his buddies, or the needed excuse to take revenge on Saddam for his father. The problem is that it's not even remotely possible for a small group of people, no matter how powerful, to predict what the consequences will be of an event like 9/11. It's much more plausible that he just took advantage of 9/11 to do things things he couldn't have done otherwise (and if anyone out there thinks their favorite democrat wouldn't have done the same, you could use a 'serious reality check' to borrow a phrase).

The fact is, nobody but W himself knows what he was thinking during those 7 minutes. All else is useless speculation.

I'm no Bush lover, but it's nice to keep our accusations in the realm of possibility, so when we have legitimate concerns we aren't dismissed out of hand.
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THATWEIRDGIRL

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:44 PM

he didn't act alone. lots of elected officials are involved in this one. Maybe some major convincing and twisting went on, but it happened. Now we need to accept that we're in this new situation and we need to act responsibly. Will Bush do that? Will congress do that? will the senate do that? I don't know.

Seems to me we have a similar revulsion to this war.

Just so you know, I'm not planning on voting for Bush this year...I'm not planning on voting for Kerry either. I"m looking at all the choices.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

BLUESUNWORSHIPPER

Monday, July 12, 2004 10:02 PM

Oh, absolutely he didn't act alone...and I also agree that he did not orchestrate or plan the 9/11 attacks...that would be foolhardy. My take on this is that he took advantage of a situation that should never be taken advantage of - the deaths of thousands of Americans and dozens of foreign nationals - for his own personal gain and the gain of his friends and relatives.

Like I said, Clinton got impeached because he lied under oath. Note that Bush refused to take an oath when interviewed by the Commission, he simply allowed them to "have a conversation" with him. This is the most corrupt administration on record, with the worst job performance in the history of American Democracy. The highest unemployment, alienation of our worldly allies, economic disasters, environmental stupidity, imprisoning American citizens without charging them of a crime (thank you, Patriot Act), criminal acts with regard to the declaration of war with a foreign power without just cause...and then manufacturing that cause.

If anybody out there watches the Fox News Channel, do you ever find yourself thinking of President Clark's ISN broadcasts on Babylon 5? I mean, I've heard of propaganda, I just never thought I'd actually see it in modern America.

- T

SGTGUMP

Monday, July 12, 2004 10:18 PM

I was on the IMDB board earlier and on the new Alien Vs. Predator movie someone posted: "Kerry Vs. Bush - whoever wins-we lose." I agree wholeheartedly. I am going to vote for the Libertarians again this election. I urge others to vote their conscience. If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil. But whatever you do, I love you guys.

www.cafeshops.com/miestelita

TIGER

Monday, July 12, 2004 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by BlueSunWorshipper:
This is the most corrupt administration on record, with the worst job performance in the history of American Democracy.

Bush is a big-government loving, Christianity pushing, nation building, republocrat, that's true; but the hyperbole in the quote above does no one any good, besides being incorrect.

Every administration in the 20th century has abused it's power to the point of absurdity. See the great depression, WWI, teapot dome, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Watergate, iran-contra, the pesian gulf, ron brown, vince foster, and so many more I can't possibly type them all here.

When will people discard the modern tribalism of Dem vs. Rep and realize that the problem isn't the politician's abuse of power, it's that they have the power to abuse in the first place?

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...The beauty of things was born before eyes and sufficient to itself; the heart-breaking beauty
Will remain when there is no heart to break for it.

TIGER

Monday, July 12, 2004 10:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sgtgump:
..."Kerry Vs. Bush - whoever wins-we lose."... I am going to vote for the Libertarians again this election. I urge others to vote their conscience. If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.

That idea deserves to be recognized. Nicely said.

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...The beauty of things was born before eyes and sufficient to itself; the heart-breaking beauty
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