The Seven Minutes

POSTED BY: HKCavalier
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HKCAVALIER

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:17 PM

I'm not big on conspiracy theories. I can believe that there are immensely rich men with a lot of pull in the world that we don't hear much about, but in terms of most conspiracies, the plots seem to imply a level of control which I don't believe is humanly possible. The governments of the world have a hard enough time pulling anything off the way they planned it. To suggest that elements in our government could pull off something as monumental as the 9/11 attack without getting caught is just a little hard to swallow.

And yet, my girlfriend just got an email from a friend of hers who has some kind of ties with the Secret Service (I think he knows someone who used to work for them). Anyway, he brought up a very disturbing fact.

We all know about the seven minutes George W. Bush spent sitting in that grade school classroom after hearing about the second plane hitting the WTC. When I saw the footage in Farenheit 9/11 I felt mostly compassion for George W. He looked so lost and scared to me.

Well, here's the thing: the Secret Service is sworn to protect the President at all costs. That's their single highest priority. So we're given to understand that Bush was informed that morning at the grade school that the United States was under attack. Terrorists have control of planes in the air. If you were running the Secret Service and you got that kind of info, wouldn't you hustle the President out of whatever photo op he was involved in and wisk him away to the nearest safe house? Forget Bush's apparent indecission or bizarrely missplaced conserns over scaring the children, the Secret Service has a job to do.

The only answer I can fathom is that the Secret Service must have known that the President was not in danger. They had to have known that he was safe right where he was. But how in the world could they have known that? Not even NORAD knew the extent of the attack, right?

So, it stands to reason at the very least that the members of the Secret Service guarding the President that morning knew ahead of time the extent of the attacks. They knew the terrorists posed no threat to the President down in Florida. So, somebody briefed them, somebody knew.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

SERGEANTX

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:27 PM

Can't say much for the conspiracy theory. It seems pretty far-fetched. I think they were probably just a little confused on what to do, probably figuring G.W. himself would cut it short. After waiting awhile they forced the issue.

But your comment about Farenheit 9/11 rung true with me. I saw the movie and I'm a rabid Bush administration hater, but I had the same reaction to the protracted focus on him waiting. I felt sympathy for the man. I wonder if that's not backfired on Moore a little. Did anyone else have this reaction?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

BARNSTORMER

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:36 PM

HK

If you really believe that, I think your in need of a serious reality check.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

EMBERS

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Did anyone else have this reaction?

SergeantX

my sympathy is reserved for the mayor of NYC,
who acted like a man, and a leader...
a greater leader than our President.

The Commander in Chief should know that the nation would look to him in a time of crisis,
and lonely & scared really doesn't cut it.

HKCAVALIER

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
HK

If you really believe that, I think your in need of a serious reality check.

Oh, please. It is so easy to be rude. Give me the reality check then, BarnStormer, that's one the reasons I posted here. Sheesh.

Oh, I didn't post this before but apparently the seven minutes in reality was more like a half an hour after Bush posed for pictures and all. Isn't the lack of urgency among everyone involved a little disconcerting in the light of the single greatest attack on American soil ever?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BLUESUNWORSHIPPER

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:52 PM

...and anybody who really believes that Bush didn't give the order to shoot down the plane that "crashed" in Pennsylvania is also in need of a reality check. Oh, and are you a lion? Nope, I just think you haven't got a clue.

Planes that crash don't leave debris over that huge a distance, only planes that blow up in the air do that...and the cockamammie theory that the plane "broke up" in the air is bullcrap. Sorry, but there's way too many secrets around the 9/11 Disaster, and Bush used it too often to gain a personal advantage. Halliburton. The Patriot Act. The War in Iraq. Bush's buddies get rich off the Iraq war and Homeland Security, and regular people die for it.

Clinton got impeached because he lied about getting a blow job under a desk. Bush gets to be a hero because he lied about the reasons we sent our troops to war. Over 800 American soldiers and dozens of Allied troops have died, and thousands of Iraqi's have paid the price for their newfound "freedom." Bush gets to be a hero? He's a murderer, as sure as if he pulled the trigger himself. Who REALLY needs to be impeached?

THAT'S what a Browncoat would say.

- T

THATWEIRDGIRL

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:52 PM

I vote no on the conspiracy. I am sure they checked the skies over Florida the instant they knew what was happening. They probably came to the conclusion that the president was temporarily safe and had time to hear and process the news.

edited: Maybe he did give the order, I don't know. I like to think of the folks as heroes tat fought back. However, if you were in charge of the safety of a nation and one plane, full of innocent folks, was headed for the Capital and the hundreds of people that work in that building, what would you do? I would consider shooting down that plane. Glad it's not my job to make life and death decisions in stressful moments.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

BLUESUNWORSHIPPER

Monday, July 12, 2004 8:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
I saw the movie and I'm a rabid Bush administration hater, but I had the same reaction to the protracted focus on him waiting. I felt sympathy for the man. I wonder if that's not backfired on Moore a little. Did anyone else have this reaction?

SergeantX

Nope. I'd have to say he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. He had no clue what to do. The man's not a leader, he's a robot. A freakin' Republican android. He was probably waiting around to see if his daddy would call and tell him what to do. Considering that he made the decision to go to war in Iraq, I assume he got that call.

Weapons of Mass Destruction? We don't need no Weapons of Mass Destruction. We don't need no steenkeeng Weapons of Mass Destruction.

- T

THATWEIRDGIRL

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:08 PM

No clue what to do. Darn right! What do you you do in that situation? huh? You're sitting in front of a classroom of hungry kids and some guy in black leans over and says, "People are dead. Thousands of them. There are planes flying around that may just take out the nation. I'll give you a minute to take that in and then I have orders to get you in the air and safe. okay. What would you like me to do first?"

I'm a reaction person, so I would have jumped up and screamed maybe tried to hurt myself or someone else. I would be mad. I'd want to take some kind of action. But would that be the right thing to do? Would I be cristised for attacking people? Should we shoot down all the planes currently in the air just in case? Should I ignore this and stay with the kids? Should we return to the white House and face the possibilty of an attack? i mean, what do you do? i am not a big Bush fan, but I feel for people that are in insane situations, and that was one insane situation.

www.thatweirdgirl.com

JCKNIFE

Monday, July 12, 2004 9:22 PM

Wow, this is one of the scarier threads I've ever seen on ANY discussion forum. Scary in the extent of what people are willing to believe in order to back up their paranoid delusions.

I've got some black helicopters I'd like to sell y'all.

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