Isreal attacks Turkish aid convoy.
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Ahhh, but Anthony...I saw nothing about them searching the ship afterwards, how do we know it wasn't such a mess that no search happened after everything settled down? Or does anyone know?
So, unless a search WAS conducted after the melee, we can't know if they were carrying contraband or not. If they were, I should think the Israelis would be shouting it from the rooftops to justify themselves.
However, your ideas ROCK, and I agree 100%.
And Cavalier, I think that article rocks, too, it made me smile and nod my head. Thank you.
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This was no flotilla of " peace ".
The Islamic radicals - the Turks - went specifically to break the blockade, and nothing more.
They brandished weapons ( metal bars and broken glass ) well before any IDF troops were on board.
What sort of "peace" activist arm themselves like that, before a fight, which they egged on ?
This entire event was orchestrated for the explicit intent to make Israel look like the bad guy.
They aren't, not even by a long shot.
Glenn Beck me all you want, the facts are irrefutable.
"Israel is presumed guilty until it's found guilty, "
Truer words were never spoken.
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This was no flotilla of " peace ".
The Islamic radicals - the Turks - went specifically to break the blockade, and nothing more.
They brandished weapons ( metal bars and broken glass ) well before any IDF troops were on board.
What sort of "peace" activist arm themselves like that, before a fight, which they egged on ?
This entire event was orchestrated for the explicit intent to make Israel look like the bad guy.
They aren't, not even by a long shot.
Dearest Rappy,
Stories are circulating that at least three of the slain Turks were self-styled shahids, or martyrs, who boasted of their lust for death and hatred of the Joos, etc....I am not surprised, but would hesitate to let the presence of a few crazed bronze-age holdovers characterize the entire flotilla, or make Israel's actions reasonable by default.
I agree with you on the general principle that the flotilla was designed, at least in part, as a stunt to challenge the blockade.. Thats as far as I'll go, inasmuch as agreeing with a known conversative furry is very awkward for me.
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
I agree with you on the general principle that the flotilla was designed, at least in part, as a stunt to challenge the blockade.. Thats as far as I'll go, inasmuch as agreeing with a known conversative furry is very awkward for me.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Ah...I recognize the well-worn phrase. But I don't follow you. You forget, I'm rather dim. Whose history are you referring to? Is this a veiled referrence to the holocaust?
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Ah...I recognize the well-worn phrase. But I don't follow you. You forget, I'm rather dim. Whose history are you referring to? Is this a veiled referrence to the holocaust?
I'd rather use the Excalibur version of the line, but to the point.
World public opinion is being formed here, on purpose. Accusing the Jews of all sorts of atrocities, inhumanity,... just like the photo shopped pics from the '06 war w/ Hezbollah.... Notice how, almost on queue, there were world wide "demonstrations " , condemning Israel for the incident. The chants were nearly identical, regardless of what city the marches took place.
As if they had been scripted....
To the point... this is a repeat of the 1930's... blaming the Jews for all the world's problems.
Here we go again.
( and yes, the raid was poorly thought up and executed. The IDF isn't blameless here. Even though this was a set up, the IDF should have known better )
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Hello,
I just read this on CNN:
“An attempt by Israel to deliver the goods from the flotilla that was stopped Monday was rejected, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.
Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.”
It is odd that needed aid would be refused.
This makes me believe that the whole routine is a political game, and not at all about the aid in question. If so, it is a game that Israel is currently losing.
I remember there was once a provocateur who led thousands of protesters in a blatant, public rejection of an unpopular law. He marched his people defiantly towards the sea in an effort to smuggle contraband into the country. The government who had outlawed the contraband felt that they would be cast in a negative light if they enforced the ban, and so they backed off I wonder if something similar is going on here. Of course, the historical provocateur believed in nonviolence, and endured indignity and beatings. Our modern copycats seem to be willing to engage in violence.
Still, I wonder who be victorious. With more aid convoys enroute to Gaza, Israel’s response will tell all.
--Anthony
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KM. Well I am jew lover. And even though they don't assimilate it makes them seem strange in other lands. Now that area is the unholiness place on earth. That is why Jesus showed up to make a change in their world. Ya know the jews outlasted Babylon, Rome, and the Nazis. They got away from Mose's law and look what happen. Is the US gonna bulldoze Manhattan Island for the indians. The Palestinians are always going to be the jews burden. Israel has to what it has to do.
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you know.. ive never been to Israel. this may sound calouse, but its my opinion that we have no more responsibility for what happens there, then we do in Darfur or any other impoverished or war torn area. i personally dont care what happens in that region, what Israel or the Arabs do, so long as we are not involved. i do not believe in allying ourselves with anyone, just as our founding fathers advocated
i personally believe that we should not only distance ourselves from Israel, but our European allies, and the entire UN. stop giving aid to all of them, Israel included, and quit giving aid to the Arab nations around them(whom we give 5x as much).
im christian, i know im not an antisemite. if Israel truly feels threatened by Hamas, or Ahmadinijad, let them respond! its their right. but if Israel commits an act of aggression, we should not be held liable for it- they do not have the right to drag us into the middle of every little conflict they find themselves in. we do not have the right to violate the liberties of anyone, whether by our own volition or on behalf of another entity. this is why we should have no allies, especially unconditionally.
if Israel(or any other nation) is victimized, and they ask us for help in defense, then our congress has the obligation to go to the American people, and ask for an up or down vote, whether we as Americans, want to go to war in their defense. thats one thing. but they do not have the right to command our service in their defense, nor do American political leaders have the right to obligate AMericans to go into conflict in foreign lands without our consent. all in all, we should just stay out of these things..
Israel is perfectly capable of defending themselves, and i think we ought to let them.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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I'd rather use the Excalibur version of the line, but to the point.
World public opinion is being formed here, on purpose. Accusing the Jews of all sorts of atrocities, inhumanity,... just like the photo shopped pics from the '06 war w/ Hezbollah.... Notice how, almost on queue, there were world wide "demonstrations " , condemning Israel for the incident. The chants were nearly identical, regardless of what city the marches took place.
As if they had been scripted....
To the point... this is a repeat of the 1930's... blaming the Jews for all the world's problems.
Here we go again.
( and yes, the raid was poorly thought up and executed. The IDF isn't blameless here. Even though this was a set up, the IDF should have known better )
There's an infinite number of reasons to hate the Jews--or at least to dislike Israel.
If I were European, I suspect I would hate Israel because 1) it gives me a chance to apologize for my own brutal, colonial past 2) while kicking Jews (for a good cause!).
Alas, I am self-loathing Jew and no ardent suppporter of Israel. I dislike any state that is invested in a strict religious identity. But I also dislike cant and bullshit. No doubt that Israel has a bloody past and created a lot of problems for itself, but the attention and spite its actions generate are disproportionate. Is it just me, or is Israel a proxy for the religious and geo-political tensions of our time?
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