Ronald Reagan
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Sunday, March 23, 2025 13:17
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Mike, I don't think he was a horrible person, I think he believed in what he did (which is what makes people the most dangerous) and did the best he could. He was just a charismatic actor who was waaaay out of his depth.
Reagan was a horrible person, a terrible president, and the world is much, much better off with him dead and in the ground.
But he was a terrible governor and a terrible President, and I would end your quote with "the world is much, much SAFER with him dead and in the ground"!
Nonetheless, this is a total waste of time; they don't WANT reality, they want the comfortable fantasies. Easy and quick as it is to pull up tons and tons of facts, they don't want them. I'm outta here; every time someone says one of the stupid mythis about Reagan, my blood boils and I want to SHOW them, so best remove myself from temptation.
I will bet you $10 that not one of them, these Reaganophiles, has read ANYTHING that's been provided to them. The saddest fact is that they reflect far too many Americans. G'night.
Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor
To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor
To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor
...so much for "together"...this, instead, weakens us...
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ahhhh, I get it. No wonder you didn’t post any cites! I just saw your material came from www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/ronaldreagan .No wonder it’s a puff piece! I could tear it to shreds, but it’s not worth the time. It was put out by the WHITE HOUSE, you silly idjit, it doesn’t represent facts, or figures, or anything concrete, it’s an accolade by the White House which could be matched by it’s “accolade” to ANY PRESIDENT WHO EVER SERVED! You can’t do better than THAT?? Does the rest come from the Reagan Library or something?
Not reality. Puff piece full of propaganda, misstatements and lies. Not worth the time to tear it apart, and without cites, no way to tell where the rest came from, so I’m guessing it’s just as pitiful a source. Oh, no, wait, I can find it...type any of the text in from the quote and...ah, hah, voila! THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION...”The Heritage Foundation is a conservative American think tank based in Washington, D.C.” (Wikipedia) Oh, my, ALL the others are from the Heritage Foundation, and the second one is “A lecture on American poltical thought”. You betcha!
If you can’t find any at least relatively impartial cite with facts and figures that can be backed up; I'll take even slightly slanted, I admit the NY Times isn’t perfect. I could find others, easily, economists, historians, anything you want. But give me something with SOME kind of investigative journalists, SOME sort of actual RESEARCH, and maybe we can debate. This is trash put out by Reaganophiles and the WHITE HOUSE, for gawd’s sake! It’s not worth the time to tear it apart, which could easily be done, it would just take some cutting and pasting. I’m just not willing to waste my time further on this trash.
That's right, now go and link something from Huffingtonpost, m'kay.
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Lastly, tho', the Southern Strategy is just a baseless cry of "racism"? Talk to Steele.
2010:Quote:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010/04/steele_admits_southern_stra
The Michael Steele gaffe tour continues, as he publicly admits that the RNC has been lying for four decades about having a "southern strategy" that focused on winning whites in the south and benefiting from racial divisions. In a speech at Depaul he said:Quote:
"For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, 'Bubba' went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton."
For the record: No, I'm not claiming that all conservatives or all Republicans are racists. I'm not even claiming that most of them are racists. I don't believe that they are. But there is little doubt in my mind that the party power structure has, since the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party for the Republican Party, had a very conscious strategy of appealing to more racist voters with dog whistle rhetoric.
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2005:Quote:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-GOP-racial-politics
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation's largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.
"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
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1981: (Lee Atwater, long-time Washington insider, aide to Reagan, ran George H.W. Bush's presidential campaign):Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater#Atwater_on_the_Southern_Strat
As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to Political Scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis' book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Bob Herbert reported on the interview in the October 6, 2005 edition of the New York Times. Atwater talked about the GOP's Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:Quote:
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.
Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
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Go ahead. Deny it. I'm sure you know more than they do. They've fucking
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I don't see where I posted from Huffpost...and how about all the others?? A humongous long bunch of quotes from the White House and a Conservative think tank v. all the stuff I put up from myriad sources? Wanna try dissing all my other fact-laden cites? Try. I dare you. I could find the same facts at a dozen different sources, I just don't want to spend the time on it.
So get real; check 'em out. Would be good for you, if you could handle facts, because there's TONS more at each of them.
And where is ONE reliable cite from ANYONE on the other side, which only presented White House puffery and Conservative bullshit? You can't find them, because they don't EXIST...nowhere that is NOT BIASED can you find refutation of the facts. They're history, pure and simple...REAL history, not myths. Bah.
Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor
To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor
To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor
...so much for "together"...this, instead, weakens us...
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This thread has some sort of elephantiasis. It's already too long for the iPad, someone posted a book, maybe everyone, but wrap tops it I suspect. Anyway, just wanted to say, niki, great spy icon.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, weren't you crying "racism" about Bill Maher? Guess you didn't have any legitimate criticisms of him, eh? ;)
Again, you're as wrong in your memory as you are in your views.
I said Maher was bigoted and prejudiced, not racist.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=43500#780892
All you vermin on the Left have are full blown fabricated lies, distortions and, of course, the empty, predictable but never substantiated cry of "racism".
:: yawn ::
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Yeah, DT, they pissed me off. One thing I can't stand is listening to the glorification of Reagan and ignoring of the TRUTHS about the man! But I quit now.
I made that emoticon for a friend ages ago, never thought it would come in handy, fun to have a place to use it! If it gives anyone a smile, hey, my work is done!
Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off
To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor
To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor
To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor
...so much for "together"...this, instead, weakens us...
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Quote:Yes the left is WRONG like Carter that evil pawn of Satan or the fornicatinfg Clinton perv spilling hs seed for all to Witness!!! AURAptor is RIGHT!! BOW to his wisdome!!!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ahh yes, the standard " RACISM " cry, when ever the Left is out of any legitimate responses.....
Wow. Those 2006 flashbacks are REALLY strong....
The NOT-RightStuff laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, DT, they pissed me off. One thing I can't stand is listening to the glorification of Reagan and ignoring of the TRUTHS about the man! But I quit now.
Perhaps getting a Reganite to admit the man's shortcomings is akin to you doing the same regading Obama.
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Whajt is the soviet debt story? Someone just posted something about debt manipulation re the collapse of the soviet union.. I hsdnt heard this before, what's the deal?
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