Ronald Reagan
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"Remember Luftballoons good song."
Hello,
I think this song was decrying the 'itchy trigger finger' tension of the time, not arguing for greater vigilance against the reds.
--Anthony
"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor
"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny.
You posted images w/ out permission in attempting to besmirch the the greatest President in the past 150 years.
Bravo.
Raptard, I am an ardent admirer of your vulgarity, spite and willingness to dispute, but Reagan was not the greatest president of the past 150 years. HE WAS TEH GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME!!!1 WE MUST PUT HIS FACE ON ALL MONIES! And the moon, too. His presidential dominance is all the more remarkable, because he was a horrible governor, and as president didn't do much besides get elected at the right time to watch the soviets decline.
Well, that, and poop his pants a lot...
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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And let's not forget the man's record of racism...
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Excerpted from Jack Clark's "Blast the Right" podcast:
The "Southern Strategy" and Reagan's Rampant Racism
In the 1960's, as the civil rights struggle heated up, the Republican party developed what came to be known as the "Southern Strategy."
The Southern Strategy was designed to get the support of Southern whites who were upset that Democrats had led the effort to protect the civil and voting rights of African Americans.
Race would be used as a wedge issue, and racial polarization would produce white votes for the Republicans.
Richard Nixon was the first to employ the southern strategy in a presidential campaign.
The existence of the Southern strategy is something you should never let a right-winger deny. You can quote some prominent right-wingers themselves.
The late Lee Atwater was the grandpappy of all the Republican dirty campaign, dirty tricks, vicious-politics-of-personal-destruction campaign strategists. Karl Rove was a disciple of Lee Atwater.
As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to political scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis' bookThe Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Atwater talked about the GOP's Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:Quote:
Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South.
You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like 'forced busing', 'states' rights' and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."
This brings us to Ronald Reagan's racism. How many times have you been speaking to a right-winger, and they will bring up how wonderful Ronald Reagan was? He did this and he accomplished that. He had these principles and those principles. Why, you would think that the right-winger has an altar to Ronald Reagan set up in his or her own house.
Sean Hannity proudly declares on virtually every show, that he's a Reagan conservative.
Let's address the questions: Was Reagan a racist? Did he follow the Southern Strategy?
Most definitely and most definitely again.
Here are Reagan's Five Pillars of Racism, showing him beyond doubt to be a racist:
Number one:
Right wing icon Ronald Reagan opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Huh? Who except the Ku Klux Klan or its fellow travelers would oppose such a measure? What kind of a human being would say it's okay for a restaurant to refuse to serve someone because of their race? To deny a person the right to check into a hotel, because they were African-American? To refuse to hire someone, because they are of a race different than your own?
Ronald Reagan, apparently.
Remember, I don't know what was in Reagan's heart. But I can and will tell you what actions he took, and what the effects were. And if Ronald Reagan's opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act had become the majority position in Congress, well then, restaurants, hotels and employers would have been able to continue their discriminatory policies.
Maybe, a right-winger will argue, there was something in the wording of that particular piece of legislation, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that Reagan didn't like. He really wasn't opposed toNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
AT, I know what the song was about. Still a good song. That is why the young people protested against the US but it wasn't every one. There were people who wanted NATO to have a shield of protection known as star wars.
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Say WHAA??
Mr. Reagan succeeded in convincing the Soviets that competing in the Strategic Defense Initiative, a ballistic missile defense program that opponents nicknamed "Star Wars," would bankrupt them. By convincing the Kremlin that it would lose the arms race, he effectively triggered Soviet capitulation.Quote:
You mean like McCarthy? You really believe we HAD a "serious problem" with Communism in the film industry???
As president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan became embroiled in disputes over the issue of Communism in the film industry
Where are the facts and figures? This is a puff piece, nothing more!Quote:
OOh, come ON...he was an actor, he was handsome, of COURES his popularity soared. Americans are an easily-conquered lot for the most part who swoon at a pretty face and easy style! See the cartoon; he got away with his ineptness and shilling for the rich for years BECAUSE of his charisma!
Only 69 days later he was shot by a would-be assassin, but quickly recovered and returned to duty. His grace and wit during the dangerous incident caused his popularity to soar.Quote:
You GOTTA be shitting me! Did or did you not see the chart on deficit spending...and you blame that on “strengthening of defense forces” alone, eh? Gawd, what doublespeak! Try this:
Dealing skillfully with Congress, Reagan obtained legislation to stimulate economic growth, curb inflation, increase employment, and strengthen national defense. He embarked upon a course of cutting taxes and Government expenditures, refusing to deviate from it when the strengthening of defense forces led to a large deficit.Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/08/weekinreview/where-the-reagan-revolu
All told, the President's friends might argue that in times that invite comparisons with those of Herbert Hoover, Ronald Reagan has built a respectable record.
Yet few of the President's friends, to say nothing of his critics, make such a case. This is hardly the shrunken government, or the bustling free-market economy fueled by savings and investment, that the President set out to build nearly seven years ago. And now the chilling judgment of the markets - in battering stocks and, more recently, the dollar - confirms that the Reagan revolution, if it ever really began, has come and gone.
''The major failure of the Reagan Administration was the failure to discipline spending,'' said William A. Niskanen, chairman of the Cato Institute, who was a member of the President's Council of Economic Advisers until 1985. ''We have a bigger government, with higher spending. We've slowed regulation down, but we haven't reversed it. In other words, there was no Reagan revolution.''
Upon taking office, President Reagan set out to reduce taxes, curb inflation and balance the Federal budget. He wanted a smaller, more unobtrusive government; to get it, he pressed Congress to reduce nonmilitary spending, and he set Federal agencies to pruning their regulations. With the markets unfettered and spurred by new investment rising from the tax cuts, he believed, the nation would enter a new era of uninterrupted growth and prosperity.
The President has delivered the low inflation rates and the growth for five straight years. But most of the prosperity has been borrowed from foreigners who have been willing to invest in the securities that the Treasury sells to carry a $2 trillion debt, more then double the one the President inherited. Mr. Reagan himself contributed to this problem by building up the military and cutting taxes at the same time. Most economists say that in the next decade, Americans will have to carry more of this debt with higher taxes, a slower economy and a lower standard of living.
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Ahhhh, I get it. No wonder you didn’t post any cites! I just saw your material came from www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/ronaldreagan .No wonder it’s a puff piece! I could tear it to shreds, but it’s not worth the
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Ahh yes, the standard " RACISM " cry, when ever the Left is out of any legitimate responses.....
Lames of the lame list.
** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )
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Well now Kwicko, SPECTRE's #2 agent subordinate of #1 Chrisisall leader of the shadow goverment. Where there is one the other follows bringing chaos along with there views of about the people. Yet they no nothing of work, humanity, or the love of life. Once again the left attacks a harmless man who has dementia who has been gone for awhile. This lack of sympathy has chapped my hide many times from the left. I have never bashed Cindy Sheehan in her pain. We need to pull together in this country and get jobs started. The Gulf would be a good place.
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Ahh yes, the standard " RACISM " cry, when ever the Left is out of any legitimate responses.....
Lames of the lame list.
Hey, weren't you crying "racism" about Bill Maher? Guess you didn't have any legitimate criticisms of him, eh? ;)
It's not a lame "cry" of racism if Reagan actually did show a years-long PATTERN of racism. At some point, all those "isolated incidents" stop being isolated incidents, and start being a definite pattern.
Reagan was a horrible person, a terrible president, and the world is much, much better off with him dead and in the ground.
Mike
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor
This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma
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Klinko, Some Red Vines, Chips Ahoy with milk, hey may be some Thai Food. Take out always good. Coke Cola with crushed ice my make you less angry.
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What the hell is this about racism? I'M certainly not crying it; I'm offering up FACTS about Reagan, I haven't even GOTTEN into the Southern Strategy. I guess others have. Look it up if you've got the guts, even the Republicans own up to it NOW. But you haven't got the guts, I know, just keep repeating those well-worn phrases and "talking points", don't give any effort to actually PROVING your points.Quote:
Hee, hee, hee, as sure I MUST! Gawd will strike me down for saying anything negative about our Great Country, because everyone knows, we’ve got “god on our side!”
Godless heathen Ruskie bich you will BURN IN HELL
Ooo, this is getting too fun.Quote:
These are reasons he was a great President??? Oh, wait, sickpuppet that you are, you didn’t read anything either, did you? “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with the facts”. Yes, I know. More comfy believing in the fantasy, isn’t it?
I really liked the man. Ya know his first wife loved him till the end. Not to mention Nancy. Those children from the first marriage adored him. His kids with Nancy was like alot of families. I mean he was shot along with the Pope.
Uh, you kinda screwed up, Catpirate, by signing offQuote:
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Yeah, but what did he DO about that strategy, besides say it?
'Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose.' - Ronald Reagan
Never heard of the song, Anthony, is that for real? What a gas!
Reagan and the Cold War???Quote:
I fucking DARE you to read the facts: http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Reagan_won_the_cold_war
Few conservative myths are accepted by ordinary Americans with less critical thought than this little nugget. Part of its appeal, like so much else about American conservatism, is that it is so very simple. Only conservatives could convince themselves that such immense political historical phenomena could be explained with such simple ideas. Thinking that simplistic must sacrifice a great deal of fact and comparative perspective. Refuting it means restoring those missing elements.Quote:
http://www.counterpunch.org/blum06072004.html
Ronald Reagan's biggest crimes were the bloody military actions to suppress social and political change in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala and Afghanistan, but I'd like to deal here with the media's gushing about Reagan's supposed role in ending the cold war. In actuality, he prolonged it.
It has become conventional wisdom that it was the relentlessly tough anti-communist policies of the Reagan Administration, with its heated-up arms race, that led to the collapse and reformation of the Soviet Union and its satellites.
Long the leading Soviet expert on the United States, Georgi Arbatov, head of the Moscow-based Institute for the Study of the U.S.A. and Canada, understood all too well the failings of Soviet totalitarianism in comparison to the economy and politics of the West. It is clear from this candid and nuanced memoir that the movement for change had been developing steadily inside the highest corridors of power ever since the death of Stalin. Arbatov not only provides considerable evidence for the controversial notion that this change would have come about without foreign pressure, he insists that the U.S. military buildup during the Reagan years actually impeded this development
George F. Kennan agrees. The former US ambassador to the Soviet Union, and father of the theory of "containment" of the same country, asserts that "the suggestion that any United States administration had the power to influence decisively the course of a tremendous domestic political upheaval in another great country on another side of the globe is simply childish." He contends that the extreme militarization of American policy strengthened hard-liners in the Soviet Union. "Thus the general effect of Cold War extremism was to delay rather than hasten the great change that overtook the Soviet Union."Quote:
This misreading of history led, in turn, to the perception that American w
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