It's worse than we know
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 14:55
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For all the crap Bush took over Katrina, Obama deserves 10,000,000 x's the grief. Because this disaster, though not his doing, proved he lacks the leadership, vision and caring to do what is required."
Hello,
For all your hyperbole and partisan snark, I'm not going to try to cut holes in your selective hysteria. This is exactly the sort of noise I want made right now, so that the President does feel pressure to do more than he already has.
And if he feels that pressure and acts on it, I'll be very pleased. Even naked, ugly political angling has its positive purpose in the wide world. So keep making your noise, sir. You're doing the country a service.
The double boon is that later, when the tally-man comes to reckon the bill, no one will be able to say that BP doesn't owe.
--Anthony
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Easy to pick on Obama, but what does anyone expect him to do? I don't think they taught a course in exploded oil well-capping at Harvard, but I could be wrong. Should he go there with a pail, shovel, and a spray bottle of Fantastik? It's a cheap and unfair political tactic, but the longer this goes on, the more effective a tactic it will be. When crazy, but loveable Cajun Carville blasts a Democrat President you know something's very wrong in the world.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I have to credit CNN.
Their coverage is so wall to wall on this, I've had to turn it off.
Too damn depressing to see everyone ( BP, Gov't ) point fingers, make promises and literally N O T H I N G is being done. The marshes, the wetlands in LA are dying. No boats out there for weeks on end, nothing being done, they won't allow LA to at least TRY to save her shoreline.....
Except that you're lying. It's not hyperbole, it's not exaggeration - you're outright L Y I N G. You claim that "NOTHING" is being done, which is pure partisan bullshit, and you know it. Over 125 ships that have been working on cleanup and containment have just been ordered to RETURN TO SHORE because crews are becoming sick. There are toxins in the air that are affecting cleanup workers on the scene. But how on Earth could more than 125 ships have even been out there doing anything if NOTHING were being done? How is that possible?
Because you're lying, as usual. That's how.
Bobby Jindal is asking for MORE skimmers, and MORE booms, and MORE help. Not *SOME* of those things, but MORE of those things. That means they've already been sent SOME of them, so clearly more than NOTHING is being done.
You can argue that there should be a bigger response, a better response, a faster response, a more massive response. That's a discussion we can have. But no, you argue that there has been no response whatsoever, that the federal government has done absolutely NOTHING. That's your word, not mine.
And you're lying.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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"Should he go there with a pail, shovel, and a spray bottle of Fantastik?"
Hello,
Thousands of them. It *is* a cheap political ploy, but there *should* be armies of people on the ground cleaning what can be cleaned, saving the animals that can be saved, putting up barriers that can be erected, etc.
The affected areas should be experiencing an invasion of assistance.
I hope he dispatches that aid presently.
--Anthony
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The double boon is that later, when the tally-man comes to reckon the bill, no one will be able to say that BP doesn't owe.
C'mon, Anthony - you know better than that. Rappy will lead the chant that BP shouldn't have to pay when the bill comes due, while at the same time decrying the government spending he's so earnestly demanding now. He's completely versed in talking out both sides of his mouth at the same time.
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"You can argue that there should be a bigger response, a better response, a faster response, a more massive response. That's a discussion we can have."
Hello,
That's it, exactly. And Mr. Raptor and his political brethren aren't looking for a discussion. They are making noise.
But that's fine. Canary in the mine shaft, only louder. It gets people moving and shaking.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
The double boon is that later, when the tally-man comes to reckon the bill, no one will be able to say that BP doesn't owe.
C'mon, Anthony - you know better than that. Rappy will lead the chant that BP shouldn't have to pay when the bill comes due, while at the same time decrying the government spending he's so earnestly demanding now. He's completely versed in talking out both sides of his mouth at the same time.
Hello,
Well, I guess he *can* say it. But no one will care.
Right now, he's saying something people will care about. Later on, his current words will make sure no one cares if he tries to downplay BP's liability.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Should he go there with a pail, shovel, and a spray bottle of Fantastik?"
Hello,
Thousands of them. It *is* a cheap political ploy, but there *should* be armies of people on the ground cleaning what can be cleaned, saving the animals that can be saved, putting up barriers that can be erected, etc.
The affected areas should be experiencing an invasion of assistance.
I hope he dispatches that aid presently.
So rather than stay in the War Room, as it were, lining up such aid, putting in calls to anyone in the world with an ounce of expertise, you'd rather the President just stand on the shore pulling cheap political moves? Do you think that would be any kind of solution, or are you just looking for some emotional salve to put your mind at ease?
Frankly, I'd rather have my President overseeing a massive response than running out there to try to respond by himself, and getting in the way of people who are trying to get the work done. One of the things that bugged me the most about Bush and Katrina was when he finally DID show up down there, and basically shut down an airport and grounded several rescue helicopters for some photo ops, in the quest for good press.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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" I don't think they taught a course in exploded oil well-capping at Harvard"
Hello,
I wanted to speak on this as well. There are two problems happening right now. The leak is one problem. The oil is the other.
The Feds do have massive numbers of personnel trained to contain and clean up toxic chemicals. This oil is just a chemical weapon, and every chemical weapon expert in the arsenal who can be spared should be setting up a tent in Louisiana and other affected territories. And it can all go on the news so that the Pres can score his own points in the dirty game of politics: Sprawling tent cities of Federal employees in Hazmat suits, Johnnies on the spot.
--Anthony
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"So rather than stay in the War Room, as it were, lining up such aid, putting in calls to anyone in the world with an ounce of expertise, you'd rather the President just stand on the shore pulling cheap political moves? Do you think that would be any kind of solution, or are you just looking for some emotional salve to put your mind at ease?
Frankly, I'd rather have my President overseeing a massive response than running out there to try to respond by himself, and getting in the way of people who are trying to get the work done. One of the things that bugged me the most about Bush and Katrina was when he finally DID show up down there, and basically shut down an airport and grounded several rescue helicopters for some photo ops, in the quest for good press. "
Hello,
No, Mike. I don't care if he ever steps foot down there personally. I think the full weight of his authority and power should be descending on the place. His presence, but by proxy.
And that proxy would come in the form of thousands upon thousands of people doing what can be done to contain and clean this disaster's effects on the ground.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad
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