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I thought the Left was for FAIRNESS. Guess not.

POSTED BY: AURaptor
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SIGNYM

Friday, April 30, 2010 1:46 PM

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No, I want you to ANSWER THE QUESTION instead of changing the subject. That was YOUR mantra, wasn't it? I showed you mine, now you show me yours. Goose sauce = gander sauce.- Signy

Now you're being obstinate. You know damn well that nothing per immigration can be done w/ regards to Cuba w/ out the embargo status being changed. I'll not play this game.- Rappy

No, I'm not being "obstinate".

We've enforced PLENTY of embargoes/ sanctions around the world without making "exceptions" for their immigrants. For example, we sanctioned Iraq. Did we change our policy on Iraqi immigration? We embargoed Nicaragua. Did we change our policy on Nicaraguan immigrants? We embargoed Chile under Allende. Same question.

One (embargo) does not follow the other (lax immigration), either historically or logically. You're simply refusing to answer a perfectly reasonable question.

And the only reason for you to back out is because you know that you're not REALLY for "fair" immigration, because you want our immigration polices to be subject to our political goals. That MAY even be a reasonable thing to do (After all, how many Vietnamese "boat people" did we allow in after the fall of Saigon?) but that's not the argument you were making. You were making the argument that all immigrants should be treated alike. Apparently, you really don't think so. So I changed the title to reflect your REAL viewpoint.

So feel free to w/draw from the discussion, but you're only doing a disservice to yourself and your credibility.

KWICKO

Friday, April 30, 2010 2:50 PM

I'm not changing the subject; I'm asking a question in direct response to YOUR original question:

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Why should one immigrant be more special than another ?

YOU are the one who hoisted the straw man about embargoes. I simply asked if (and why) you would support a completely different set of immigration laws for one group of people over another. You've run away, backed off, and refused to address the issue YOU raised.

You've been utterly childish about it, and you've called everyone else childish for not letting you have your little temper tantrum. You'd like to throw out false statements and claim them as fact, and you don't want anyone else to be allowed to refute your falsehoods. How childish is that? You're like a spoiled three-year-old being told that two plus two equals four, and responding with an insistent, "Nyuh-UHHH! Does NOT!"

You want to keep asking questions, but you refuse to answer questions - even YOUR OWN questions.

Do you support a national ID card? Yes or no, and why?

Do you think we should have one set of immigration rules for one group, and a completely different set of immigration rules for another group? Yes or no, and why?

I don't really expect that you'll answer; you're far too cowardly for that. You'll hem, you'll haw, you'll disappear, you'll change the subject, you'll insult and evade, you'll namecall, but what you WON'T do is answer the questions.

Go ahead; prove me wrong. I won't hold my breath.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

KWICKO

Friday, April 30, 2010 2:55 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Okay, Rappy, here's your answer: I think ALL immigrants should be treated alike.

Now, will you answer the question about Cubans?

Cuba's situation is complicated by the embargo. You're essentially saying you want the embargo dropped, correct ?

Now, see, I *WILL* answer that question. Yes. Absolutely. The fastest way to end communism in Cuba is to open up relations with them completely. It doesn't mean we "support" their government or their leaders, any more than we "support" the government and leaders in places like Liberia, Indonesia, China, or Saudi Arabia; it means we can sit down and actually TALK. To the leaders, to the people, to each other. Nothing has proven better at breaking down barriers than conversation.

As I've said before, you want Castro and Communism gone from power in Cuba, don't threaten them with bombs and embargoes; bombard them with McNuggets, Levi's jeans, and Coca-Cola, and let them know in no uncertain terms that these are the kinds of things we view as "garbage" culture, not even worthy of a second thought, they're so common and unremarkable. Show 'em that, and they'll come clamoring to be rampant little consumers!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

RAHLMACLAREN

Friday, April 30, 2010 4:36 PM

Wow, Rappy will string ANY words together, as long as he dosen't actually create an answer.

And just to prove how timid Rappy is, I (a lurks-alot) will answer the question.

Umm.... What was it again? Oh, I remember now...

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Why should one immigrant be more special than another ?

They shouldn't. Why we still talkin' about this?

And...

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Cuba's situation is complicated by the embargo. You're essentially saying you want the embargo dropped, correct ?

Sure, why not? It's a stupid embargo anyway.
*(Yes)

And to answer Kwicko's questions:

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Do you support a national ID card? Yes or no, and why?

[Chanels (sic) Cordelia] I don't think you should have to do anything in America if you don't want to. You don't *have* to pay taxes. Just become a bow-wielding ultra survivalist living in the deep woodsy-woods of a national forest. *(No)

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Do you think we should have one set of immigration rules for one group, and a completely different set of immigration rules for another group? Yes or no, and why?

Nope, 'Cause that would be against equal rights.
*(No)

Hey, that wasn't so hard.

It's like a loopy rollercoaster.

They look scarer from afar
than they actually are.

(Hey, that rhymed. And it IS Poet's Day!)

*Added simple answers so Rappy could understand :)

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Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

NIKI2

Friday, April 30, 2010 5:08 PM

Your entire diatribe has been for naught, Crappy. You posted a position which was fallacious in its face; I refuted it with facts and cites; you've gone right on bellowing the same points, hurling ugliness and deflecting the obvious: Your statement was wrong. End of story.

You truly ARE a foul wind. You blow one way, then when a barrier is put up to the direction you're going, you blow around it, change direction and deflect the discussion off to the side, etc. You blow every which way, and the wind is foul, in that you never come up against the walls of fact and stop.

Once again you've triggered people into responding to your ugliness without directly addressing your initial statements and how they are false. Are you at all catching on, folks? He keeps you going with deflections and obviously false statements, and it works.

Rahlm is right: Why are we still taking the bait?

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

KWICKO

Friday, April 30, 2010 5:34 PM

Well, Niki, that's WHY I keep bringing the discussion back to Rappy's original query.

Of course, it's rather ironic that he is the one who REFUSES to address his own questions and issues.

KWICKO

Saturday, May 1, 2010 12:24 AM

I see Rappy's still ducking and weaving on this one.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:29 AM

I guess some of you would rather write a book of excuses and evade the point, just to avoid facing the fact that treating one group of illegals one way and others completely different is perfectly fine to promote your social / political agenda.

I, however, don't have that much time to waste.

And Nikki, I see you elevated me back to coporeal form, but if you want a real reply , and a real discussion, drop the childish 'tude.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

KWICKO

Saturday, May 1, 2010 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess some of you would rather write a book of excuses and evade the point, just to avoid facing the fact that treating one group of illegals one way and others completely different is perfectly fine to promote your social / political agenda.

I, however, don't have that much time to waste.

THAT is laughable, in the extreme. You "don't have that much time to waste", huh? Then why have you spent literally HOURS of wasted time on this very issue this week?

Now, it seems to me that YOU are the one saying it's perfectly fine to treat one group of aliens completely differently from others, solely in order to promote your social / political agenda.

Is that indeed what you're saying? That it's perfectly fine by you if we treat one group of aliens (Hispanics) completely differently than we treat other groups of aliens (whites)? 'Cause that's kinda been the whole point of all these threads this week: the idea that it's NOT okay to single out one particular group or race for special harrassment solely in order to promote your social or political agenda.

What part of that don't you get?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:54 AM

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I guess some of you would rather write a book of excuses and evade the point, just to avoid facing the fact that treating one group of illegals one way and others completely different is perfectly fine to promote your social / political agenda. I, however, don't have that much time to waste.

Huh.

You don't have time to waste? Well, the shortest answer IS yes or no. The only thing that wasted your time was your own obfuscation and evasion.

SO.....

Do you think Cubans should be treated like everyone else?

Yes or no?