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Anti-Government, but don't touch my Medicare

POSTED BY: Niki2
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Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:45 PM

It's amusing, when you think about it:

The Tea Partiers yell and scream about wanting to get rid of government and "save the country". Yet:

The Second Amendment rally in Washington DC, people complained that the mass-transit system wasn't up to their "standards". Government-created; I wonder what they'd bitch about without it?

The one over in Virginia, close as they could get WITH their weapons, was held in a state park. State parks, remember, paid for by government?

Not only that, but the fact that they COULD openly carry their weapons was made possible by that Socialist/communist/nazi/facist Obama by recent legislation.

It goes on and on...would be interesting to see how they dealt with the results of doing away with big government.

Yes, I know some of that stuff was paid for by state government; and I know they're not against ALL government, but to hear them, then watch them utilize what the government "bought" them (like Medicare and Social Security) just makes me smile.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:


It's amusing, when you think about it:

The Tea Partiers yell and scream about wanting to get rid of government and "save the country". Yet:

The Second Amendment rally in Washington DC, people complained that the mass-transit system wasn't up to their "standards". Government-created; I wonder what they'd bitch about without it?

The one over in Virginia, close as they could get WITH their weapons, was held in a state park. State parks, remember, paid for by government?

Not only that, but the fact that they COULD openly carry their weapons was made possible by that Socialist/communist/nazi/facist Obama by recent legislation.



Well, yes and no. Several states already had open-carry laws before Obama was elected. Heck, some of them had them before America was even America! :)

What Obama DID do, though, which would come as quite a shock to these people, if they ever stopped hollerin' "He's gonna take our guns!" - is he signed the legislation allowing open-carry in the national parks. And for that, did one single member of those pro-gun rallies stand up on the stage and say, "Thank You, Mister President, for allowing us to be hear today with our guns!"?

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It goes on and on...would be interesting to see how they dealt with the results of doing away with big government.

Yes, I know some of that stuff was paid for by state government; and I know they're not against ALL government, but to hear them, then watch them utilize what the government "bought" them (like Medicare and Social Security) just makes me smile.




Yup, that big ol' government that can't do ANYTHING right. Where did the tea-baggers hold their protests? Places like the mall in DC - (a national park), Boston Commons (a national park, and one of the oldest), and other public, federally-funded parks and outdoors areas. So far as I've seen, not a one of them has been on land that was leased and paid for by private individuals. They value "freedom", all right - especially when "free" is the cost of the public park land they hold their protests on, to protest spending money on things like parks.

How did these people GET TO the public parks they met in to hold their protests? Many complained that the public transportation systems they used weren't up to the task - which is supposed to somehow bolster their case for spending less money on such things.

"Hero" claims that everyone who works or shops has seen massive unprecedented tax hikes (hidden ones, apparently, since he can't find them no matter how many times I ask for details). Doesn't it also stand to reason that every single person who attended a Tea Party protest in a public park, or who got to that protest via bus, train, plane, automobile, etc. - even by FOOT, if they used a sidewalk to do so - was the direct beneficiary of the tax system that paid for those things?

It IS funny, in a way. These people are supposed to be the great example of how smart Americans are. Yet they seem hopelessly uninformed about... well, EVERYTHING, really.

We should have a pledge sheet that we take around to the Tea Parties, asking people to sign up to NOT take federal welfare, for anything, ever. That includes use of the roads, highways, interstates, public schools, libraries, airports and air travel, and more.

The guy asking people to throw bricks through windows to protest government spending? Yeah, he's on Social Security Disability. I'm sure he'll tell you that he wants that taken away, since he didn't pay for it and is freeloading off ME, for one. Think he'll sign my pledge?


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What Obama DID do, though, which would come as quite a shock to these people, if they ever stopped hollerin' "He's gonna take our guns!" - is he signed the legislation allowing open-carry in the national parks. And for that, did one single member of those pro-gun rallies stand up on the stage and say, "Thank You, Mister President, for allowing us to be hear today with our guns!"?


Here in Michigan, that *was* the attitude in Lansing, when a gathering intended to protest abuses (which never came around to happening) ended up a celebration of the right to bear arms instead, and the prevailing attitude seemed to be "Well, I don't like him, but he's been pretty cool on this issue", followed by a shrug as they then find something else to bitch about.

I think, provided they practice safe handling procedures and obey the law, just leavin the gunbunnies alone will cause this to eventually become a non-issue when the expected abuses never come - it's not like they don't have other things to piss and moan about, yanno ?

But that epic freakout "OMG he's got a gun, it's gonna jump out of the holster all by itself and kill everyone in sight, aieee, aieee" bullshit, that just feeds the frenzy, honestly.

Thankfully Michigan has almost none of that kinda attitude, and as such, it was a very celebratory atmosphere rather than a panic.

-F

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:42 PM

That was my point, Mike darlin'; that they couldn't have been there with their guns on if Obama hadn't changed things...AND that no matter how they got there, "big government" made it possible--unless they took a cab. No, wait, cabs travel on roads... spread their wings and fly maybe?

And curse you for mentioning the guy on disability, I was saving that for my next salvo post!

Oh, Frem, f'r'heaven's sake, don't turn it into a second amendment thing, that's not what it's about. It's about being anti-government while happily using everything the government provides...shees, you know what will happen if you get folks going on THAT one!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:41 PM

Sorry, I was just so terribly happy that nothing *did* come of it, was all, no panic and disorder, naught but a bunch of folk having fun and celebrating in a festive atmosphere.

Regarding infrastructure and how we actually DO see some benefit from our tax payments, well - I had that conversation in explicit detail with Wulfie regarding property taxes, and many a time I have pointed out that I would *voluntarily* pay for stuff like roads, schools, traffic control, maintenance and upkeep - so long as they were part of a bargaining process I had some input into instead of a giveaway to some councilmans brother in law... it ain't the how much that drives me batshit so much as where it goes.

Problem is, that's invisible to most of these folk, just as it was to Wulfie till I explained it to him - I think anyone who complains about that kinda thing oughta have the decency to at least get SOME kind of a clue before going off, yeah.

As for things I am willing to pay for, well, pardon me for smirkin about it, but c'est la vie and there go five *more* cops, via yet another budget cut - payin to be abused and exploited ain't one of em, and busting, then robbing, a charity poker game was kind of a last straw thing around here.

Good example of the purse strings being the one method by which we could check and balance government abuses, but thanks to the IRS, that only works on a local level - be hard to actually commit many of these abuses if no one would finance em, wouldn't it ?

Which is why they'd never do the thing I most want, allowing individual citzens to allocate exactly how each dollar of their tax is spent, and on what.

-F

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:15 PM

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allowing individual citzens to allocate exactly how each dollar of their tax is spent, and on what.
While I agree with you on principal, and some of what you wrote, nonetheless: Omygawd, what a nightmare the above would be!!!



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sorry, I was just so terribly happy that nothing *did* come of it, was all, no panic and disorder, naught but a bunch of folk having fun and celebrating in a festive atmosphere.
-F




But seriously Frem, can you IMAGINE what would happen if Obama were to show up at one of the open-carry parties in the national parks and just smooth his way up onto the stage, grab the mic, and say, "You're welcome!" with a big smile?

I think it would be hilarious, and might even go some ways towards getting him some cred with the gun nuts.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, April 23, 2010 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
It's about being anti-government while happily using everything the government provides...



Being anti-government/anti-taxation doesn't mean you refuse to use government services. It means you want to stop being forced to buy govt services, and IF or WHEN you are free from such force, you will happily stop using said services.

You may want to vote against mandatory purchase of car insurance, for example. It doesn't mean that while you're being forced to buy it, you won't submit a claim if you get into a car wreck. You're paying the premiums; you have every right to use what you're paying for.



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Friday, April 23, 2010 12:44 AM

What is the Tea Party stand on US military spending?

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Friday, April 23, 2010 1:14 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
What is the Tea Party stand on US military spending?



They are for having a military, but against its bloated spending.

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