High School Buffy, or post-High School Buffy; that is the question.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 17:16
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Quote:Chills-time.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" She wouldn't do this, even knowing the cost... She is a hero
She is not like us "
My jaw dropped first time I saw that.
The laughing Chrisisall
"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010
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Though I love season 3, I liked the post-HS years overall a bit better. I liked the metaphorical aspect of the High School stories, but felt they had played that hand out, and appreciated the expanded scope the stories presented once they got out of their bubble.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Nicely put, Story. My feelings 'zactly.
The laughing Chrisisall
"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010
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Thing is with post High School Buffy the overall feeling with seasons 5, and 6 in particular is that the show is struggling to find an identity.
The idea of Glory a banished god is a good one as a concept but she's kind of played like a cartoon character. Her schtick for me is too MTV. Too much of a pastiche of previous 'big bads' and is perhaps the weakest villain of the entire seven season run. The character just doesn't warrant a whole season. And ultimately there's no real reason why Buffy didn't just take Dawn away from Sunnydale to avoid the threat of Glory in the first place?
Season Six is just not my cup of tea. The attempt at maturity guised as melodrama falls flat. At least for me and the idea that the villains are now the geeks is just so beneath Buffy... Buffy who is a Vampire Slayer. A Slayer of ancient and mystical evils finding her age old skills utilized for nothing more than adolescents who enact their comic book fantasies... Nah. It bites! I just cannot re-watch this season. And I've tried! But you know to each thier own.
Season Seven does go a long way to reclaiming the 'character' that was Buffy. It's richer, more fun and yet still with moments of genuine menace to make the hairs on the old neck rise again. And that's great! It looks fresher, some additional characters add genuine depth to the season: The conflict between the Principle, Spike and Buffy is strong stuff and reflects the kind of twists we were so accustomed to having when Angel was around. We have Faith, Caleb and the Slayerettes who like them or loath them gave us something extra to ponder about. And frankly hating one or two of them often helped with watching the episodes as you witnessed their grizzly deaths with morbid delight.
As for Season Four I dunno were to put it, because they're still in eduction so it kinda works too in that way. It's the funniest of the lot and for that I like it, but it remains somehow estranged from the rest because of the whole government fighting monsters thing... It's just plain bananas!
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Quote:I had a real problem with her for a WHOLE season as well.
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
The idea of Glory a banished god is a good one as a concept but she's kind of played like a cartoon character. Her schtick for me is too MTV.
Quote:I see what you're saying & I respect it... I may have hated it myself if I'd had to endure the angst over broadcast months (I ripped thru it in a week), so I actually like it for its hard-to-watch-ness!! Go figure.
Season Six is just not my cup of tea. The attempt at maturity guised as melodrama falls flat. At least for me and the idea that the villains are now the geeks is just so beneath Buffy... Buffy who is a Vampire Slayer. A Slayer of ancient and mystical evils finding her age old skills utilized for nothing more than adolescents who enact their comic book fantasies... Nah. It bites! I just cannot re-watch this season. And I've tried!
Quote:You nailed why it's my favourite season!
Season Seven does go a long way to reclaiming the 'character' that was Buffy. It's richer, more fun and yet still with moments of genuine menace to make the hairs on the old neck rise again. And that's great! It looks fresher, some additional characters add genuine depth to the season: The conflict between the Principle, Spike and Buffy is strong stuff and reflects the kind of twists we were so accustomed to having when Angel was around. We have Faith, Caleb and the Slayerettes who like them or loath them gave us something extra to ponder about. And frankly hating one or two of them often helped with watching the episodes as you witnessed their grizzly deaths with morbid delight.
Quote:It was an awkward but fun growing pain IMO.
As for Season Four I dunno were to put it,
... the whole government fighting monsters thing... It's just plain bananas!
The laughing Chrisisall
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Oh, now ya got me all in the mood to expound!!!
Season 1 was fun, light & novel. Loved The Master.
2 was even better, mostly due to Spike.
3 was Golden, from every perspective. Creativity run rampant. All but one episode were absolute perfection.
4 was trying real hard, and mostly succeeded, even though the whole "Government" thing might have been too much of a reach for what started as as a more intimate (and budget-restricted) story. Still, Hush...
5 mainly sucked IMO due to GLORY NEVER SHUTTING UP & CLEARLY NOT any kind of "GOD," killing Joyce, "I Was Made to Love You," Glory breaking her heel, Glory taking SO long to do her stuff, and Dawn's dodgy birth. Still, "Fool For Love," one of the best eps in the series.
6 was pain. Then more pain. Dark. A set-up for rebirth. And, well, rebirth literally too.
7 was the cream at the top of the bottle IMO. Not as wildly creative as 3, but it had a direction towards an endgame, and its epic-ness was looming throughout the season. Best FX, best fight scenes since "Anne," best bitter-sweet end to a series ever.
The expounding Chrisisall
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
And ultimately there's no real reason why Buffy didn't just take Dawn away from Sunnydale to avoid the threat of Glory in the first place?
I thought of this myself at the time and came up with the answer that she wouldn't run away from her duties and responsibilities. At the start they had no idea what they were dealing with, either with the Key or with Glory, so (to me) they saw no point in running. And when they did try to get away in the mobile home they failed. Plus the Key had been sent to Buffy for protection when the monks could have just hidden it again. I always took it to mean that Glory was too close to finding it and they knew a fight was coming or at least that she'd find the Key so who better to protect something than a slayer.
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At least for me the idea that the villains are now the geeks is just so beneath Buffy.
Maybe this is just me but I never saw them as the main villains, even whilst I was watching it at the time. I always thought they were just disguising the fact that there was going to be a real big bad later on. They added some great humour to the show but was happy once the hints at where Willows plot was going started to come through. I would add though that I thought they should have had her go darker a couple of episodes earlier but without the other Scoobies realising. Then have Tara's death push her right over.
Just my take on things.
"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."
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Well expounded Chris :D I think I agree on everything... But what is this less than perfect episode in season three you speak of?
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Originally posted by lwaves:
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I thought of this myself at the time and came up with the answer that she wouldn't run away from her duties and responsibilities. At the start they had no idea what they were dealing with, either with the Key or with Glory, so (to me) they saw no point in running. And when they did try to get away in the mobile home they failed. Plus the Key had been sent to Buffy for protection when the monks could have just hidden it again. I always took it to mean that Glory was too close to finding it and they knew a fight was coming or at least that she'd find the Key so who better to protect something than a slayer.
But Buffy 'vamosed' at the end of season two - so it kind of makes that point redundant. Or at least odd, because the desperation that Buffy had towards Dawn was belittled by this simple oversight.
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I would add though that I thought they should have had her go darker a couple of episodes earlier but without the other Scoobies realising. Then have Tara's death push her right over.
Yes I agree.
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Quote:My bad, it's "Him" I was thinking of, not in that season. Ooops (that's the only ep of 7 I wasn't thrilled with)!
Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
what is this less than perfect episode in season three you speak of?
The laughing Chrisisall
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