wikileaks video: civilians murdered in Iraq

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Then again: Mal4, haven't you figured it out yet? In numerous places Gino has said America should be bombed; that includes innocents. He holds us all responsible, ergo we should all die.

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I don't know Niki. I beginning to think that's not quite it. But Gino's already started a thread about himself, so I'll leave further discussion of his psyche for another place. Not that it isn't interesting.

Back to the shooting - thing is, seeing proof like this throws even more doubt on so many other reports of violence against civilians. I mean, I wasn't doubting that bad shit has gone down a'plenty, but I've never seen such damning and direct evidence of it. And again - it's not just the few guys in the helicopter. Someone worked hard covering this up. Makes me wonder what else they covered up.

Apparently, wikileaks has another video from Afghanistan that they'll be releasing soon.

I wonder if any of this will make the MSM, or if it'll get shut down.

ETAnswer my own question: it's in the Times already. And elsewhere.

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The way I see it, M4P, Nikki, Story, some horrendous crime has gotten Gino very upset. That's all. You all bullying him and badgering him to admit his extreme rhetoric hit him in just the wrong place. Of course he doesn't advocate genocide. Sure, what he wrote can be read as if he did, but y'all should know better, shouldn't ya? Now, for him to apologize or admit his error, or whatever penance y'all been trying to wring from him, he would have to sanction the bullying behavior to do so. And no one with any self respect grovels before that kind of harassment on the internet.

And Story, can we please quit with the gendered put-downs? "Grow a pair?" Really?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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i couldnt watch it either.. no offense Mal. i just believe.. we have a small window right now to change American policy peacefully, from the grassroots.. and thats all we(i) can do. tit for tat, an eye for an eye, is not the answer; responding to voilence with more violence is the perpetual trap we fall into. this does not happen by will of the people- congress doesnt know this stuff is going on. this is why people like PN or myself have been warning that AMerica, and much of the west, are just being used to make the world safe for the NWO. this isnt just America.. this isnt even representative of everyday AMericans, what we want or believe. this is part of a much bigger agenda, with many more players then meet the eye. i know this type of thing just fuels the anti-american hatred around here.. but before we accept retaliation as an antedote, lets come together and support causes that promote real shifts in the political paradigm.

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Here's the problem HK: The fact that Gino's claiming to be bullied... uh, you wanna maybe look that up? Cause it really hasn't happened that way, not that I've seen.

I've talked reasonable with Gino as much as I could. I never name-called him, never threatened him, just asked what he thought and tried to understand him. I invited his input at every step. In case you missed it: he went off the deep end, called names, made false accusations, and even got explicitly threatening to Niki. He's pretty much become a stalker. He's done the bullying here.

Or - are you saying that his unreasonable behavior means that he must have been through something bad, so that means whatever he does is OK?

*confused*


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Originally posted by antimason:
i couldnt watch it either.. no offense Mal. i just believe.. we have a small window right now to change American policy peacefully, from the grassroots.. and thats all we can do. tit for tat, an eye for an eye, is not the answer; responding to voilence with more violence is the perpetual trap we fall into. this does not happen by will of the people- congress doesnt know this stuff is going on. this is why people like PN or myself have been warning that AMerica, and much of the west, are just being used to make the world safe for the NWO. this isnt just America.. this isnt even representative of everyday AMericans, what we want or believe. this is part of a much bigger agenda, with many more players then meet the eye. i know this type of thing just fuels the anti-american hatred around here.. but before we accept retaliation as an antedote, lets come together and support causes that promote real shifts in the political paradigm.

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Well said Antimason. No offense at all. It really did make me sick to watch, and I didn't even get to the worst parts. Just checked the transcript for those.

NWO.... not to be a broken record, but have you heard of "The Family"? A recent discovery for me. I *hate* conspiracy theories, but this one has too much behind it to be ignored.

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Been there done that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Libya

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Here's the problem HK: The fact that Gino's claiming to be bullied... uh, you wanna maybe look that up? Cause it really hasn't happened that way, not that I've seen.

I've talked reasonable with Gino as much as I could. I never name-called him, never threatened him, just asked what he thought and tried to understand him. I invited his input at every step. In case you missed it: he went off the deep end, called names, made false accusations, and even got explicitly threatening to Niki. He's pretty much become a stalker. He's done the bullying here.

Or - are you saying that his unreasonable behavior means that he must have been through something bad, so that means whatever he does is OK?

*confused*

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What I'm saying is that if he is not behaving rationally, you need to let it go or end up becoming part of the chaos. I'm saying that you've accused him of advocating genocide and I don't think that is remotely fair, given who he is and where he's been.

You are sounding, to my ear, uncharacteristically self-righteous. Of course, I'm not saying that "whatever he does is okay." Jeez. I'm saying, merely, that I can understand why he might not apologize for his behavior.

mal4pres, please answer this question: do you truly believe that ginobifferoni advocates genocide against Americans? Do you honestly believe that he wants our cities bombed? Don't tell me what he said, we both know what he said. I'm asking you, do you believe that what he said reflects his truest feelings on the matter?

HKCavalier

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HK: I'll post in Gino's "ban Gino" thread. I don't want to continue this tangent here.

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This ain't the half of it, there's another massacre they just copped to where our troops went and cut the bullets outta the civvies in an effort to deny culpability - it's all horrible, but horrible things happen in wars, which is why sensible people do not have them.

I've seen worse, much worse, mind you - but that still don't make it right, or something that should be tolerated, and yet again, those who say war is hell ain't kiddin, it's GONNA happen, and the attitudes we train our troops to, that contributes.

There's a couple vids of that kinda jackass behavior, that tremendous disrespect, of a lower but more consistent form - like the way our guys more or less play bumper cars and bump/shove the locals outta the way, not for any reason of safety or security, but in a kind of intolerable arrogance which is half the reason we never seem to make no headway with them people.

When you create an insane situation, people will act in insane ways within it, that's what war is.

Not justifyin it, just sayin there ain't no avoidin it.

-Frem

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