wikileaks video: civilians murdered in Iraq

It's quite clearly a bunch of guys standing around talking, not even looking at the chopper. One guy had a gun - like in Texas, this is apparently not unusual in Iraq. Another man was the Reuters photographer. The US soldiers took his camera to be an RPG. If you saw the video, you would see that this is ridiculous.

The soldiers kill these people, then mock them, then blatantly lie. "We were taking fire" when they clearly were not.

Here's a tidbit from after the shooting, when ground forces arrive. A van driven by a man with his children in the back had pulled over to help one of the injured. The US soldiers killed him and wounded his children:

16:49 Roger, I've got uh eleven Iraqi KIAs [Killed In Action]. One small child wounded. Over.
16:57 Roger. Ah damn. Oh well.
17:04 Roger, we need, we need a uh to evac [evacuate] this child. Ah, she's got a uh, she's got a wound to the belly.
17:10 I can't do anything here. She needs to get evaced. Over.
17:18 Bushmaster Seven, Bushmaster Seven; this is Bushmaster Six Romeo.
17:20 We need your location over.
17:25 Roger, we're at the location where Crazyhorse engaged the RPG fire break.
17:37 Grid five-four-five-eight.
17:46 Well it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle.
17:48 That's right.
17:56 Got uh, eleven.
18:01 Yeah uh, roger. We're monitoring [observing].
18:02 Sorry.
18:04 No problem.
18:07 Correction eight-six-one-six.
18:16 Looking for more individuals-south.
18:18 Bushmaster Six-Bushmaster Seven.
18:29 I think they just drove over a body.
18:31 Hey hey!
18:32 Yeah!
18:37 Maybe it was just a visual illusion, but it looked like it.
18:41 Well, they're dead, so.

Yes, and I'm so fucking mad I can't breathe.

And for Gino: That underlined part sound at all familar? Have you been saying shit like that lately? Yeah, guess what side you're on, pal. The WRONG one.

Cause I don't want to go kill anyone over this. You see how it works? Bin Laden killed New Yorkers, so some pissed off soldiers go out and kill these Iraqis... I'm not taking it the next step.

But these soldiers and the higher-ups who did the cover-up better fucking end in jail.

From the New York Times right after this happened, in 2007, the official story:

The American military said in a statement late Thursday that 11 people had been killed: nine insurgents and two civilians. According to the statement, American troops were conducting a raid when they were hit by small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. The American troops called in reinforcements and attack helicopters. In the ensuing fight, the statement said, the two Reuters employees and nine insurgents were killed.


"There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force," said Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/13/world/middleeast/13iraq.html?_r=2

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
It's quite clearly a bunch of guys standing around talking, not even looking at the chopper. One guy had a gun - like in Texas, this is apparently not unusual in Iraq. Another man was the Reuters photographer. The US soldiers took his camera to be an RPG. If you saw the video, you would see that this is ridiculous.

The soldiers kill these people, then mock them, then blatantly lie. "We were taking fire" when they clearly were not.

Here's a tidbit from after the shooting, when ground forces arrive. A van driven by a man with his children in the back had pulled over to help one of the injured. The US soldiers killed him and wounded his children:

16:49 Roger, I've got uh eleven Iraqi KIAs [Killed In Action]. One small child wounded. Over.
16:57 Roger. Ah damn. Oh well.
17:04 Roger, we need, we need a uh to evac [evacuate] this child. Ah, she's got a uh, she's got a wound to the belly.
17:10 I can't do anything here. She needs to get evaced. Over.
17:18 Bushmaster Seven, Bushmaster Seven; this is Bushmaster Six Romeo.
17:20 We need your location over.
17:25 Roger, we're at the location where Crazyhorse engaged the RPG fire break.
17:37 Grid five-four-five-eight.
17:46 Well it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle.
17:48 That's right.
17:56 Got uh, eleven.
18:01 Yeah uh, roger. We're monitoring [observing].
18:02 Sorry.
18:04 No problem.
18:07 Correction eight-six-one-six.
18:16 Looking for more individuals-south.
18:18 Bushmaster Six-Bushmaster Seven.
18:29 I think they just drove over a body.
18:31 Hey hey!
18:32 Yeah!
18:37 Maybe it was just a visual illusion, but it looked like it.
18:41 Well, they're dead, so.

Yes, and I'm so fucking mad I can't breathe.

And for Gino: That underlined part sound at all familar? Have you been saying shit like that lately? Yeah, guess what side you're on, pal. The WRONG one.

Cause I don't want to go kill anyone over this. You see how it works? Bin Laden killed New Yorkers, so some pissed off soldiers go out and kill these Iraqis... I'm not taking it the next step.

But these soldiers and the higher-ups who did the cover-up better fucking end in jail.

From the New York Times right after this happened, in 2007, the official story:

The American military said in a statement late Thursday that 11 people had been killed: nine insurgents and two civilians. According to the statement, American troops were conducting a raid when they were hit by small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. The American troops called in reinforcements and attack helicopters. In the ensuing fight, the statement said, the two Reuters employees and nine insurgents were killed.


"There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force," said Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/13/world/middleeast/13iraq.html?_r=2

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And for Gino: That underlined part sound at all familar? Have you been saying shit like that lately? Yeah, guess what side you're on, pal. The WRONG one.


Actually Mal, I was quoting AU when I said that

he made that remark about Palestinian kids getting gunned down by the IDF.

My side would either see the pilot, gunner, and commander charged and convicted of 12 counts of murder, and whatever else

or if that isn't remotely possible... then their base hit with multiple truck bombs in response.

Please don't put words that are not mine in my mouth

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Please don't put words that are not mine in my mouth

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From the other thread - you said:

The only solution is to attack the US until it comes apart... Sooner the better

obviously change from within will never happen

If you did not mean this, just let me know. All I've been after is trying to figure out if you really mean the stuff about "Americans deserve to die." I asked you that straight up early on in our little "contretemps". But the way you've responded has made me doubt. You've sounded a helluva lot like you think every one of us USofAers have EARNED a bloody end.

As I told you, I understand that Americans may die as a result of Iraq and all the other sins of our govt. But I don't think we deserve it, not any more than man and his kids in that van did.

I'm all for 12 counts of murder. And conspiracy charges against those who put together the bullcrap official story. I'm glad we agree on that.



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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
or if that isn't remotely possible... then their base hit with multiple truck bombs in response.

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Whoa - I missed this. Huh? So all the other soldiers and civilians and spouses and children on the base should die because these few soldiers did something monstrous? How is that different from what the bastards in the chopped did?

Wow. Do you really just not get it? How can you not see the hypocrisy?

*astounded*

If you were just being ironic, please admit it or I will dismiss you forever as being certifiably insane...

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whatever Mal if it makes you feel better

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Actually Mal, I was quoting AU when I said that

he made that remark about Palestinian kids getting gunned down by the IDF.

My side would either see the pilot, gunner, and commander charged and convicted of 12 counts of murder, and whatever else

or if that isn't remotely possible... then their base hit with multiple truck bombs in response.

Please don't put words that are not mine in my mouth

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I forgot that I intended to quote your full posts. You know. Just in case.

So, um... again I see no denial. It's as if you really do think that innocents should die, as long as you're mad enough about something someone in their neighborhood did.

I don't know. Can't dismiss though. You're just so cool about so many things that I have to hold on to hope that you're being ironic. You can't really mean it.

Right?

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Whoa - I missed this. Huh? So all the other soldiers and civilians and spouses and children on the base should die because these few soldiers did something monstrous? How is that different from what the bastards in the chopped did?

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So America puts families on it's forward operating bases now huh?

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Originally posted by citizen:

Quote:

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Whoa - I missed this. Huh? So all the other soldiers and civilians and spouses and children on the base should die because these few soldiers did something monstrous? How is that different from what the bastards in the chopped did?

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So America puts families on it's forward operating bases now huh?

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This shooting happened in 2007. I figured the people who did it are likely stationed back here in the states by now.

Or maybe Gino means to truck bomb whatever base is nearby in Iraq? You know, because killing whoever's handy is a better solution than actually going after the guilty party.


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