It’s over: MPs say the special relationship with US is dead
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 15:36
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Ya PROMISE????
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Your fucking socialist utopia awaits!
The laughing Chrisisall
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Quote:Oh yeah, everybody misunderstands us. Poor, lonesome us. We try so hard to be nice! (snicker) Again, if you would pull your head out of your ass once in a while... there are too many personal accounts of atrocities aided and abetted by US personnel, too much evidence IN OUR OWN RECORDS of the dictators we've propped up and the people we've killed to dismiss it as anti-American propaganda by "bad guys". (snicker) Jeez what a fucking moron.
Actually, it is because we're so nice. Tyrannical Gov'ts lie to their citizens about our way of life, and who we are, so that the locals won't get their own uppity ideas of 'freedom'. Keep the masses stupid, keep them busy and keep them under control. Worked for the Soviet Union for nearly 70 years.
YOU might be blinded by bullshit, Rappy, but the rest of the world is not.
But that's OK. Plug your ears and hum loudly. Close your eyes. Go live in your own delusional little Alliance world.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
YOU might be blinded by bullshit, Rappy, but the rest of the world is not.
And you think the E. Germans were shooting at folks trying to climb IN, not OUT, right ?
The level of voluntary ignorance on your part knows no bounds.
You ARE, the most useful idiot.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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You forget that after the US defeated Iraq it was LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE to maintain peace and order in the country. Any deaths that occured are the US's fault, both in fact and by law.
Ok this. To some extent you have a point: as occupying power after the invasion the U.S is responsible for things the Iraqi state would ordinarily provide like water, sanitation, energy, etc. Also it is obligated as well to provide security - and as we saw the other things depended on this... and it failed.
The thing is the U.S has a startlingly good record of occupying countries and successfully promoting stability, freedom, democracy, prosperity. See Western European countries, S. Korea, Japan. The Neo-con mentality was to try (naively imo) and reproduce this in Iraq, and make a friendly oil-producing democracy.
The fact that Iraq descended into bloody chaos was because of forces the US struggled to control. I think you'll struggle to prove that the U.S failed its security mandate 'on purpose' - causing the chaos, and all those Iraqi civilians deaths as a matter of policy. You're lacking evidence, and motive.
Was the legal requirement for security to make more than a conscientious effort? If not how are you going to prove that it didn't make this effort?
Heads should roll
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Gino, you missed this one:
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Quote:I happen to be married to someone who grew up in communist Hungary, and my dad was imprisoned in a Siberian labor camp so don't give me a load of crap, sonny. I have good knowledge of both sides of the equation.
The level of voluntary ignorance on your part knows no bounds.
YOU? I figure you for a tool.
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Quote:You're shitting us, right? I just posted about 100 of our "interventions" which ended in abysmal failure, and you point to three of four exceptions and call it "startling good"?
The thing is the U.S has a startlingly good record
Er... the only thing startling is your assessment!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Gino, you missed this one:
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
Looks too happy and there is no noose around the neck...
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personally, i think the US is/ and will be, the most benevolent empire the world will ever see. as much as i criticize America for its intervention, IMO human nature would have compelled any other "world-power" in the same way. the world is frankly lucky that it was us on top(although its not luck- its a consequence of good policy). we are truly blessed as Americans, to have recieved the knowledge and undestanding that underpinned US law, and enabled us access to such incredible wealth. just imagine if the world super-power had been the Nazis, Stalin or Mao!? we might not even be having this discussion
and yet, inspite of all that, we still strive to achieve a balance that does not neccessitate our constant intervention. that is why we are special.. and its the libertairan way, supported by the bill of rights/constitution. in those most simple terms, we are not permitted to do anything near the scale and reach that we have been; both foreign and domesticly. so in that respect, i think we should bid adieu, and leave popular society, and the world, to its misery. IMO thats the best medicine. a consequence of that, i believe would be encouragement towards self reliance, and the accompanied spiritual growth that neccessitates survival. that can only happen by minimizing the role of government intervention. like the old saying goes, 'give a man a fish, feed him for a day. but teach a man to fish, and feed him for a lifetime'. in that same tradition, its time we finally leave the world to its own divices, and let God handle the rest.
people will call me cruel, its just my opinion
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