It’s over: MPs say the special relationship with US is dead

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Whatever happened to the Gino I used to respect and THOUGHT I was able to discuss things with? I wish we could get him back.

Everything you accused me of is a lie, but I've learned not to expect sense out of you...would be nice if you'd go to another thread to spread your venom. Then again, stay in this one; it's easier to ignore your hate-filled, bigoted insanity.

You need help. We can't give it to you.

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Everything I said seems pretty true to me, an ugly truth, an uncomfortable truth... but truth none the less


If any country is crying out for " regime change " it is yours... Think of all the effort you put into complaining about your patriot act, or heathcare...

If you managed to force your gov into changing your foreign policy... ALL the other problems go away

Cut Defence spending by a quarter and you have cash money for heathcare, etc, etc, etc



Lovely the way you consistently dismiss any world view you don't share as hate and venom, perhaps you should stay in your comfort zone if you cannot accept the fact that many folk out there have legitimate grievances against your country... and no other way to pursue them except violence. I would like to see a option that has Americans take back control and change things... but you have been on this course, with both of your political partys without deviation for sixty years now... if some internal revolt was going to do something it would have by now... so with that gone what is left?

what would you have the victims of your country do ?... sit around and continue to die, continue to get beat down another decade

I would say it is your view that is not in contact with reality


So go back to your happy thoughts, I really don't think you can handle the reality of the situation

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Okay, so before this goes into truly flamefest territory, I think I should try to clear up a misunderstanding that I think is at the heart of this one.

The way America is acting, it is likely to be bombed and attacked. I think we've seen the consequences of our foreign policy, and I think that THIS is all that Gino is pointing out.

Obviously, I think everyone could agree that if there were a peaceful transition from our prominent and presumptuous and self-destructive and DISASTEROUS efforts abroad, less American soldiers would die, other countries would find us less meddlesome. And that is infinitely preferable to being bombed (unfortunately, it may be inevitable).

Killing innocent civilians not so good, no matter who's doing it, two wrongs don't make a right. This is IMO a lot like American caused casualties in Afghanistan. It's unpopular to say, but I'm going to say it. I don't think we were justified in regime change from the Taliban, and I also think we should have agreed to the Taliban's offers to give up Obama and give him to international courts.

But I don't want to get bombed. I don't want ANYONE to get bombed.

EDIT: You know, TECHNICALLY I meant to say Osama there, but despite the typo it might still be a correct assessment of my feelings. Give me three years and I'll know for certain.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Okay, so before this goes into truly flamefest territory, I think I should try to clear up a misunderstanding that I think is at the heart of this one.

The way America is acting, it is likely to be bombed and attacked. I think we've seen the consequences of our foreign policy, and I think that THIS is all that Gino is pointing out.

Obviously, I think everyone could agree that if there were a peaceful transition from our prominent and presumptuous and self-destructive and DISASTEROUS efforts abroad, less American soldiers would die, other countries would find us less meddlesome. And that is infinitely preferable to being bombed (unfortunately, it may be inevitable).

Killing innocent civilians not so good, no matter who's doing it, two wrongs don't make a right. This is IMO a lot like American caused casualties in Afghanistan. It's unpopular to say, but I'm going to say it. I don't think we were justified in regime change from the Taliban, and I also think we should have agreed to the Taliban's offers to give up Obama and give him to international courts.

But I don't want to get bombed. I don't want ANYONE to get bombed.

EDIT: You know, TECHNICALLY I meant to say Osama there, but despite the typo it might still be a correct assessment of my feelings. Give me three years and I'll know for certain.

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I agree with nearly everything you said Byte, I go a little further to saying the US has put many into a corner where it is fight or die, and getting chopped down by a drone/tank/bomber is pretty useless when you could do whatever to take some of the people victimizing you with them.

Most people seem to think well Bush is gone, its all over... but this started long before Bush and Obama hasn't even slowed anything down.

Some were shocked I suggest shooting some of those responsible was a good idea, but hell... would going back to the 1930's and shooting a few Nazis be a bad idea?

" The way America is acting, it is likely to be bombed and attacked. I think we've seen the consequences of our foreign policy, and I think that THIS is all that Gino is pointing out. "

Not only likely, but not a bad thing... It is only when the US is attacked people seem to take any notice as to what is going on... Sadly otherwise I fiqure they collectively just don't give a crap... and that hinders change more than anything

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