It’s over: MPs say the special relationship with US is dead
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, August 29, 2025 15:36
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Originally posted by Niki2:Whatever happened to the Gino I used to respect and THOUGHT I was able to discuss things with? I wish we could get him back.
Everything you accused me of is a lie, but I've learned not to expect sense out of you...would be nice if you'd go to another thread to spread your venom. Then again, stay in this one; it's easier to ignore your hate-filled, bigoted insanity.
You need help. We can't give it to you.
Not fun when someone does it to you, is it ?
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Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Not only likely, but not a bad thing... It is only when the US is attacked people seem to take any notice as to what is going on...
Plenty of honest and reasonable people have paid attention to America's actions around the world, and many are critical. The view of America as an evil murderous empire comparable to the nazis has been heard by almost all... it's just been rejected.
Heads should roll
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Not only likely, but not a bad thing... It is only when the US is attacked people seem to take any notice as to what is going on...
Plenty of honest and reasonable people have paid attention to America's actions around the world, and many are critical. The view of America as an evil murderous empire comparable to the nazis has been heard by almost all... it's just been rejected.
Heads should roll
Not by all, just hard to make the US the rogue state it is because it is too economically integrated. Give a another ten years of US bullshit and see what folks say
And being critical is all and good...
But has it stopped anything ?
Would there have been so much rejection of the Vietnam war if the US hadn't practiced conscription at the time?
Maybe you should go back to that...
With a personal stake maybe change will become possible because their asses will be on the line even more so
Until that happens...
The song remains the same
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USA invasions have killed real people. Not theoreticals, but real babies, real women, real innocents. Not by the thousands, but by the millions. As Gino said, imagine 3 million people killed here and you might BEGIN to see the impact we've had on the world. Hell, we spend more money on the military than the rest of the world combined. "They" could ALL gang up on us and we'd STILL outspend them! What does that say about us???????
Oh, we've had it SO BAD! A few thousand of us were killed!
Compared to everyone else, we're a bunch of friggin' moronic crybabies. It's all very well and comfortable for us to say "Well, I protested", but fat lot of good it does to the millions dead and those we'll kill in the future.
Unlike Gino, I don't think the answer is to bomb us, because we're still frightfully powerful and dangerous, and might go berserk and do a helluva a lot more damage - not only to the rest of the world (which we apparently don't care a fig about) but also to OURSELVES... there is nothing like an outside enemy to cause a nation to go fascist in a blink.
I think... (she speaks slowly as she thinks) the real tipping point will be economic. We will no longer be able to afford our empire, and our military adventurism.
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USA invasions have killed real people. Not theoreticals, but real babies, real women, real innocents. Not by the thousands, but by the millions.
That's just flat out absurd.
It's not even worth debating, it's so absurd.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Originally posted by SignyM:
USA invasions have killed real people. Not theoreticals, but real babies, real women, real innocents. Not by the thousands, but by the millions. As Gino said, imagine 3 million people killed here and you might BEGIN to see the impact we've had on the world. Hell, we spend more money on the military than the rest of the world combined. "They" could ALL gang up on us and we'd STILL outspend them! What does that say about us???????
Oh, we've had it SO BAD! A few thousand of us were killed!
Compared to everyone else, we're a bunch of friggin' moronic crybabies. It's all very well and comfortable for us to say "Well, I protested", but fat lot of good it does to the millions dead and those we'll kill in the future.
Unlike Gino, I don't think the answer is to bomb us, because we're still frightfully powerful and dangerous, and might go berserk and do a helluva a lot more damage - not only to the rest of the world (which we apparently don't care a fig about) but also to OURSELVES... there is nothing like an outside enemy to cause a nation to go fascist in a blink.
I think... (she speaks slowly as she thinks) the real tipping point will be economic. We will no longer be able to afford our empire, and our military adventurism.
Exactly Signy, but the attacks are a big part of that economic drain...
One guy sets his pants on fire... and how many Millions were spent ? Insurance of air carriers goes up, extra security costs, hearings and inquiry's, scanning machines... lmao
A big win, and didn't even require a body count.
I have hopes the attacking force will gain the sophistication to start in on infrastructure targets...
How many electrical substations could be easily knocked out for weeks killing power to swaths of area. Think of the manpower required to guard them all... And then the " contractors " doing the guarding will no doubt shoot some kid out for a run causing even more shit.
Low bodycount, but economic havoc
Maybe folk will wake up yet
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"How many electrical substations could be easily knocked out for weeks killing power to swaths of area."
The government is way ahead of you. There was a story a couple of years ago about a grad student whose thesis was - gee, if I wanted to to create maximum damage, where are the nodes located ? This was for all types of infrastructure - power, communication, water, ground transport etc. Well, the grad student was not allowed to publish or graduate - and the government confiscated the work. Never to be heard of in detail again.
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USA invasions have killed real people. Not theoreticals, but real babies, real women, real innocents. Not by the thousands, but by the millions.
Pretty much agree with Auraptor. I think you are happily blurring wars/concepts in your head Signy. You can't bunch all US foreign wars together and add a tally of civilian casualties from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Northern France... The morality of each war is different, so be specific.
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Hell, we spend more money on the military than the rest of the world combined. "They" could ALL gang up on us and we'd STILL outspend them! What does that say about us???????
I think the world outside America is divided into two sets of people - those who think the US is a force for good, and those who think it is a force for bad. I'm a European and I think the US is a big force for good - that's not to say it's perfect or the 'moral leader' of the world, I don't think it is, but were it to vanish from the face of the earth overnight I would feel that the world was a less safe place - and I think most Europeans would feel the same.
I don't share the knee-jerk emotional anti-military reflex common here, but I will concede America can also be a force for bad in the world - as Iraq showed. But you don't have to look that closely at the reality to see that the worst that the US did was clumsily/carelessly set off a chain reaction of violence - and that was what caused the majority of death and devastation. The US didn't put that powder keg there, and it didn't light it on purpose - folly and incompetence achieved that. That's why I think all this talk of war crimes and imperial genocide is sad nonsense. For me it's sad that there are powder kegs in the world, and it's sad that one stupid man can become in charge of a stupendously powerful military, with the power to unseat a government and set one of them off. It will forever keep me nervous of the US (while candidates like Sarah Palin are still around) but it won't equate them with the Nazis in my mind.
Heads should roll
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"That's why I think all this talk of war crimes and imperial genocide is sad nonsense."
In Iraq the US DID bomb civilians, DID torture prisoners, DID hold family members hostage, and DID kill hundreds of thousands of people ... not to mention DID launch an attack another country by choice. Just 'cause somebody felt like it. I don't know if that amounts to genocide, but it does amount to war crimes.
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The US didn't put that powder keg there, and it didn't light it on purpose - folly and incompetence achieved that.
Gosh, that must come as quite a comfort to the families of the dead.
Maybe someone should point out to the families of 9/11 victims that it wasn't all the hijackers' fault - American folly and incompetence allowed them to achieve their goals! I bet it would make them feel a whole lot better about things.
By the way, Gino has an excellent point about the economics of terrorism. Many have tried to point it out over the years, and we generally get shouted down.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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