Students, professors to protest education cutbacks
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
And now the Legislature, in its' infinite wisdom, has come up with a great new plan....Make cursing illegal, and issue fines to people for bad language! I'm not joking, there is a measure in the Captol now to do just that. In many ways it's a look into the possible future of America.
Next they'll tell you to use the three shells!
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Somebody watched Demolition Man recently
John Spartan: [whispering to Lenina] Look, I don't know if you guys know it, but uh... you're out of toilet paper.
Alfredo Garcia: [confused] Did... did you say toilet *paper*?
Lenina Huxley: Um... they used handfuls of wadded paper back in the 20th...
[Lenina, Alfredo, and Erwin all laugh]
John Spartan: I'm happy that you're happy, but the place where you're supposed to have the toilet paper, you've got this little shelf with three seashells on it.
Erwin: He doesn't know how to use the three seashells!
[Erwin continues to laugh, then calms down]
Erwin: I can see how that could be confusing.
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Originally posted by rue:
I kind of agree ... and kind of disagree.
FWIW, at this point in time the majority of graduate students in the 'hard sciences' come from overseas. After all, the prevailing US attitude is - why work really, really hard at something if it doesn't make you rich ?
And then, many of the new-minted chemists I work with are depressingly narrow-minded techno-drones. Their attitude seems to be - I worked really, really hard to learn how to do this narrow field - now show me the money.
While I can understand the feeling that people should economize in tough times, I think ditching what we used to call 'fluff' classes, or even majors, would simply drive those above trends further. Those who will not go into the sciences or different types of engineering will go into business, and those who go into science or engineering will become even more myopic than now.
FWIW I came up through the 70s, when universities were tightly attuned to society due to the Vietnam War and the hippie movement. New degrees never seen before like 'Women's Studies', and 'Environmental Studies' were being offered. I even took those classes - they were interesting and helped me broaden my outlook. Otherwise I would have remained a provincial geek. And it didn't seem to hurt our generation any to have them.
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As a class, sure
But to take it as a degree?
Women's Studies... I think belongs as part of a social sciences program, not as a stand alone field...
cross field applications should be encouraged, but still be useful
Environmental Studies and chemistry
physics and engineering
hell business and any science degree
all these have niches that could make you rich, particularly if it was your passion
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I think we are mis-communicating. I don't think the individual purpose of education should be to get rich (money). I'm not decided about measuring the social benefits and costs of education. Should they be measured in money ? Is there a better measure ?
Anyway, I'm open to more discussion, but I'll have to leave it for another day.
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Originally posted by rue:
I think we are mis-communicating. I don't think the individual purpose of education should be to get rich (money). I'm not decided about measuring the social benefits and costs of education. Should they be measured in money ? Is there a better measure ?
Anyway, I'm open to more discussion, but I'll have to leave it for another day.
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Education should lead to something employment wise, shouldn't it ?
Otherwise we have people with educations partly paid for by society, then having to pay them unemployment... or coffee house employees with degree making minimum wage...
Maybe money is the wrong measure, I would say usefulness should be it, but that translates into money as well...
I thing degree programs should have applicable value, or be paid for %100 by whatever private interests that desire them...
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So, no taking classes just for knowledge's sake? Hell, there goes about 80 hours of my course load... (all paid for by ME, thank you very much).
I often took classes "just because" - just because I was interested (but not because I wanted a job in that field - I knew I wasn't going to be a particle physicist or an astronomer, or a history or government professor). Some of those classes even led me off into different fields of study, which I'd have never been exposed to if I was ONLY going to school to find out what my job was supposed to be.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
And now the Legislature, in its' infinite wisdom, has come up with a great new plan....Make cursing illegal, and issue fines to people for bad language! I'm not joking, there is a measure in the Captol now to do just that. In many ways it's a look into the possible future of America.
Next they'll tell you to use the three shells!
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Somebody watched Demolition Man recently
Thank you!
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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So, no taking classes just for knowledge's sake? Hell, there goes about 80 hours of my course load... (all paid for by ME, thank you very much).
I often took classes "just because" - just because I was interested (but not because I wanted a job in that field - I knew I wasn't going to be a particle physicist or an astronomer, or a history or government professor). Some of those classes even led me off into different fields of study, which I'd have never been exposed to if I was ONLY going to school to find out what my job was supposed to be.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
the point I'm trying to make
taking classes good, even just for fun
taking a degree program that leads nowhere bad
plus Mike, you paid the course fees... I'm guessing the school also received supplemental funding from state and federal sources which kept those course fees low enough to be almost reasonable ...
and that is really the money we are talking about,
But if you racked up three or four years ( or more ) of student loans, grants, etc to get a degree in Jewish Studies, or Rhetoric, or Folklore... then you graduate... then what are you going to do?
Classes good, but not the whole shot...
I have friends who did similar things...
then defaulted on their loans, worked crap jobs trying to get enough money together to take the classes they should have at the start...
its ugly
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
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Gino
Your question is very philosophical, but incomplete. Useful for what ? Productive to whom ?
Let me propose a hypothetical society. For lack of a better term I'll call them Karalians. Everyone who can works enough to meet their needs and have a measure of security, and to support those who are too young, too old or too infirm to work. No one is very rich or powerful, but no one is very poor and powerless either. These Karalians love art, music and dance. They lovingly pour much time into teaching their children to sing and play the traditional songs, to dance the group dances, and to create beautiful art to give away to those they love and like. It even may be a society you would like to live in, if you had the chance. So, after years of this effort, the children are grown. Should the parents now be asking - but are they useful ? Are they productive ? Why did we waste our time on them this way ?
In societies of artificial dearth like ours, your questions make one kind of sense. But in the range of possibilities, they are unnecessarily restrictive.
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If govt would quit stealing $70-trillion/year from govt CAFR "pension" funds, nobody would have to pay taxes nor tuition of any kind. Govt has kept 2 sets of books since the 1950s, based on billionaire Al Capone's successful model in Chicago.
This proves how stoopid students and teachers are, who never heard of CAFRs, which are a censored topic for all degree programs.
Comprehensive Annual Financial Report for govt, a/k/a Annual Financial Report for universities
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5823209513192072459
http://cafr1.com
http://cafrman.com
Search your local CAFRs
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&aq=f&sourceid=ch
rome&ie=UTF-8&q=cafr
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