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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:33 AM

I think most of the conspiracy theories around attribute far too much organisational capacity, long term planning ability, forethought and intelligence to government. Having worked in government or semi government jobs for years, I just don't but that they are capable or clever enough to do such things.That being said, any organisation, government or otherwise is capable of corruption and cover ups, it's just that the plots tend to be less fantastical and more depressingly common place.

Anybody else get large areas of grey screen on these threads from time to time *cue spooky music*

GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I think most of the conspiracy theories around attribute far too much organisational capacity, long term planning ability, forethought and intelligence to government. Having worked in government or semi government jobs for years, I just don't but that they are capable or clever enough to do such things.That being said, any organisation, government or otherwise is capable of corruption and cover ups, it's just that the plots tend to be less fantastical and more depressingly common place.

Anybody else get large areas of grey screen on these threads from time to time *cue spooky music*

and a horrible buzzing sound

yeah whenever Rappy posts

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:39 AM

You know what's kinda scary, Niki ?

Some of those assholes training in Civil Unrest Management up there at Camp Grayling actually have, and WEAR those damn Camp FEMA T-shirts as part of their friggin PT uniform.

That's just friggin sick.

I forget who to attribute this to, but it fits the theme.

"Paranoia is a comforting state of mind, if you believe they're out to get you, it means you think you matter to them."

That said, I *sincerely* hope the bastards of the world go on cussing me and that damned personality engine long years after they've shovelled me into a hole.

O2B ?
"Lighten up, Frances!"
Seriously, if you CAN'T laugh at how silly it all is, even the dark and scary parts, you're worse off than you should be!

Same for you, Birdie, learn to laugh at it - by fearing this crap you give it power, power over you, power over your actions, to quote Wendy, you DO NOT HAVE TO BE AFRAID, stand up, refuse to be, point and LAUGH, for ridicule is the weapon by which YOU have power, the power to deprive THEM of the fear and credibility they *need* in order to convince fools to take orders from them.

Without it, they got nothin.

Magons ?
Likely that's a browser issue over inline images or somesuch.

And you are entirely correct, there is not, and never has been, some great, grand all encompassing conspiracy, if there was it'd be carried off much more competently, but human nature renders that impossible.

What it is, and always has been, is a whole fekkload of stupid little petty ones, all stepping all over each other mixed liberally with asskissing, office politics, ass covering, and general political incompetence - just cause so many of these stupid plans are the same doesn't mean they come from the same source any more than crabs walking in lockstep means they're a hive mind - it just means that the limited thought process involved tends to flow in the same general direction of greed, ambition and oneupmanship.

Which is also in a way, the keys to the kingdom, cause you can set them AGAINST each other with little enough effort, and let their own malicious desires do most of the work of breaking them for you.

While you point, and laugh.

You take them seriously, it leads to them taking themselves seriously, and that brings all manner of trouble.

LIFE isn't serious.

-Frem

LITTLEBIRD

Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I think most of the conspiracy theories around attribute far too much organisational capacity, long term planning ability, forethought and intelligence to government. Having worked in government or semi government jobs for years, I just don't but that they are capable or clever enough to do such things.That being said, any organisation, government or otherwise is capable of corruption and cover ups, it's just that the plots tend to be less fantastical and more depressingly common place.

Anybody else get large areas of grey screen on these threads from time to time *cue spooky music*

Oh dear, I think I just trashed whatever credibility I might have been starting to acquire on this board. I'm willing to entertain that this might not have been the government. I just don't have any other explanation for the military bases involved in my journey. That plus going through lots of FOIA documents to try and get to the truth and talking to other survivors and some professionals along the way.

Maybe RWED was not the place to talk about these personal issues. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
I'm willing to entertain that this might not have been the government. I just don't have any other explanation for the military bases involved in my journey. That plus going through lots of FOIA documents to try and get to the truth and talking to other survivors and some professionals along the way.

You won't find shit under FOIA, William Colby torched it all just before taking that little boat ride, doll.

I *can* however explain the military bases, cause they were operating something at the time along the lines of an "enhanced aggression program" set up to make troops more aggressive under combat conditions, something they've been playin at on and off for a hundred years, but I doubt there was much if any direct involvement other than the jackasses dumping otherwise "unsuitable" potentials on those military programs as possibly still useful in that way.

-F

LITTLEBIRD

Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:16 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Same for you, Birdie, learn to laugh at it - by fearing this crap you give it power, power over you, power over your actions, to quote Wendy, you DO NOT HAVE TO BE AFRAID, stand up, refuse to be, point and LAUGH, for ridicule is the weapon by which YOU have power, the power to deprive THEM of the fear and credibility they *need* in order to convince fools to take orders from them.

Without it, they got nothing

-Frem

This sorta reminds me of the attitude O'Neal had towards the Goauld(sp)in SG1. Always mocking and laughing at their seriousness. I will work on this. :) thank's

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:36 AM

Yanno, imma take a moment here to re-iterate just how pyschologically destructive even knowing some of this crap is.

I mean it's one thing to wonder and speculate while not really knowing and hoping that most of your assumptions are just pessimism and mental backwash...

But when you're sitting there with proof in hand, and the enormity of it hits you (I don't mean single conspiracy, I mean the sheer amount of this bullshit that has gone on, does go on, right under our noses) most people just snap, they go some variation of bonkers right on the spot.

Not gonna get into speculation of why/how, but my primary reaction was more along the lines of "Well... fuck."

Anyhows, most folk blow a gasket, and most of em just go straight to denial, don't pass go, don't collect $200 - but some go the other way, where they start buyin into EVERY theory no matter how patently ridiculous, and even the most logical, reasonable explaination becomes to them yet another coverup.

McCarthy was like that, he ran across a few actual Communist Party drones, and the next thing ya know he was practically seeing them in his closets and under his bed - worse, he was in a position of power!

So, yah, there's some level of that goin on with PN, Jeffie Rense, Jones, Rivero, and that general lot - it doesn't mean they're completely wrong, but you have to take the ravings with a large helping of salt cause the very things that clued them in on the existance of some real stuff also sent em batshit friggin crazy.

Not that PN is half as bonkers as his purposeful sensationalism and side order of ulterior motives (dude, the pay per click shit is gettin OLD) would have you believe, but that's also a defense too, cause if you're "obviously" four plus crazy, there's less inclination for some conspirator to feel threatened and make you go away.

Of course, if you really want some level of deterrent, leave em wondering how much you got that you ain't spilled, maybe in a buncha boxes or files somewhere with instructions to be opened if you cap it...
(Practice known as DeathBoxing, btw)

And since I mentioned Colby and we're on the topic...

Howard Hunt was a fluke, most of these guys don't spill their guys on the way out, ok ?

A lot of people involved in dirty business honestly believe they're doin right, and are completely willing to be martyred and even die for it, Oliver North is a classic example.

So when the moment comes for a guy like that, it doesn't go like some bad B-movie conspiracy flick, but more like this.

"So, it's come to that ?
Yeah, you're a liability, Bob, your mind is starting to slip and we can't take the risk.
I understand.
How do you want to do it ?
Standard suicide, no note.
Last requests ?
Just take care of my family, Bill.
Ok."
*BANG*

That's prettymuch how both Hunter S Thompson and William Colbey went, should you ask my opinion, but had they trusted Thompson a little more and let him use his own gun there woulda been a round in the chamber and powder residue in the barrel - that was *sloppy*, to leave an unfired gun in his hand like that.

Most participants actually cooperate with the action of their removal, a simple explaination that folks wound up by the fact that these things exist seem incapable of realizing.

-F

GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:44 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

along the lines of an "enhanced aggression program" set up to make troops more aggressive under combat conditions, something they've been playin at on and off for a hundred years

The history of this is quite interesting

http://www.theancientweb.com/explore/content.aspx?content_id=37

The Zulu might never have vanquished the British at Isandlwana without the help of traditional Zulu medicines. Some scholars have suggested that Zulu pharmacopoeia provided more of a psychological boost than any real physiological effect. But recent scientific studies show that the medicines contained some very potent drugs. For example, warriors were given a cannabis (marijuana)-based snuff to take during battle. Analysis of the snuff has revealed that it contained extremely high levels of THC, a powerful hallucinogen, and yet no detectable levels of the chemicals that cause the sedative effects of marijuana

Also in the Zulu war medicine chest: the bulb of a flower in the Amaryllis family, called Boophane disticha, or the Bushman Poison Bulb. Studies have shown that the bulb -- which was also used by southern Africans to help mummify bodies -- contains buphanidrine, an alkaloid, like codeine and morphine (although it is not related to them) with hallucinogenic and pain-killing properties. According to botanist Ben-Erik van Wyk of Rand Afrikaans University in Johannesburg, South Africa, the dosage of buphanidrine necessary to reduce pain is very close to the toxic dose, "but in a very experienced traditional healer's hands it should be safe. They usually assess the strength of a bulb by testing it on themselves."

In addition, warriors sometimes ingested a hallucinogenic mushroom containing a toxin called muscimol. The chemical, present in fly agaric -- a mushroom that can attract and kill flies -- is said to induce a state of expanded perception in those who ingest it. Warriors who consumed those mushrooms, researchers speculate, might have been utterly without fear, believing themselves impervious to British bullets.

Despite all these possibilities, one thing is certain, the Zulu army inflicted one of the greatest defeats on a western army in African history, and they will forever be remembered for the day the took the field in the battle of Isandlwana.

A program on the History Channel also mentioned that it was found that the traditional war paint the Zulus put on themselves before battle had properties of a local anesthetic. If the warrior received cuts running through the bush, or minor wounds it was doubtful they would feel them as their warpaint numbed the cuts almost immeadiately.

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

LITTLEBIRD

Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
I'm willing to entertain that this might not have been the government. I just don't have any other explanation for the military bases involved in my journey. That plus going through lots of FOIA documents to try and get to the truth and talking to other survivors and some professionals along the way.

You won't find shit under FOIA, William Colby torched it all just before taking that little boat ride, doll.

I *can* however explain the military bases, cause they were operating something at the time along the lines of an "enhanced aggression program" set up to make troops more aggressive under combat conditions, something they've been playin at on and off for a hundred years, but I doubt there was much if any direct involvement other than the jackasses dumping otherwise "unsuitable" potentials on those military programs as possibly still useful in that way.

-F

Whew! Well it sounds like you at least believe some of what I have said. Mostly it's hard to just not be believed at all. period. end of discussion. And no one here has come right out and said they don't believe me so I'm probably being overly sensitive ... again. sheesh ..

Not that it really matters one way or the other. No one is going to ever get 100% agreement. *tries to be philosophical instead of serious or hurt* :)

So, yeah, no united conspiracy... just lots of different crazy government programs created by flawed individuals.

ETA: I was talking about the files they found that actually did show that some of these programs existed. The ones presented at the Church committee. I know they destroyed the bulk of records from that time. sigh

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

Oh dear, I think I just trashed whatever credibility I might have been starting to acquire on this board. I'm willing to entertain that this might not have been the government. I just don't have any other explanation for the military bases involved in my journey. That plus going through lots of FOIA documents to try and get to the truth and talking to other survivors and some professionals along the way.

Maybe RWED was not the place to talk about these personal issues. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

You haven't ruffled any of my feathers, as you are entitled to speak about your experiences and express your views as you wish. And as I don't religiously read through every thread on this board, I seem to have missed references to your personal experiences.

I was speaking generally, that there seems to be an increasing outlet of conspiracy theories on the net which stretch credulity of any over the top political thriller, but people seem to buy them lock, stock and barrel. That to me seems to be more sheep like behaviour than those who can say think through scenarios logocally.

Me, I'm a big believer in Occham's Razor. This guy had a grudge, believed that he reached the end of the road and wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. He signifies nothing more than an example how much damage angry people can do to those around them, loved ones and strangers alike.

GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

Oh dear, I think I just trashed whatever credibility I might have been starting to acquire on this board. I'm willing to entertain that this might not have been the government. I just don't have any other explanation for the military bases involved in my journey. That plus going through lots of FOIA documents to try and get to the truth and talking to other survivors and some professionals along the way.

Maybe RWED was not the place to talk about these personal issues. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

You haven't ruffled any of my feathers, as you are entitled to speak about your experiences and express your views as you wish. And as I don't religiously read through every thread on this board, I seem to have missed references to your personal experiences.

I was speaking generally, that there seems to be an increasing outlet of conspiracy theories on the net which stretch credulity of any over the top political thriller, but people seem to buy them lock, stock and barrel. That to me seems to be more sheep like behaviour than those who can say think through scenarios logocally.

Me, I'm a big believer in Occham's Razor. This guy had a grudge, believed that he reached the end of the road and wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. He signifies nothing more than an example how much damage angry people can do to those around them, loved ones and strangers alike.

Well said

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

LITTLEBIRD

Sunday, February 21, 2010 3:21 AM

Magonsdaughter:

Yes, I don't see any great conspiracy to this individual who crashed his plane. He had reached the end of his rope, or so he thought.

And yes, buying into any and all conspiracy theories is sheep like behavior. For me personally, I am learning to think things through a bit better by observing the discussions that go on here. Sometimes I still trip up, but 'it is what it is'.

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I think most of the conspiracy theories around attribute far too much organisational capacity, long term planning ability, forethought and intelligence to government. Having worked in government or semi government jobs for years, I just don't but that they are capable or clever enough to do such things.That being said, any organisation, government or otherwise is capable of corruption and cover ups, it's just that the plots tend to be less fantastical and more depressingly common place.

Don't sell some govt employees short. The average govt employee acts like a moron most of the time, but can still do a competant job in their own tiny niche, whether the job has an evil outcome or not ("I vas jus following ordahs, mein Fuhrer!") The 190 I.Q.s in upper management are a different story... all evil all the time.

My govt jobs were:

1. Firing the wife of the mayor of Vonore Tennessee, because she was a Republican, and I was ordered to only employ The List of hardcore Democrats. The order came from my aunt in the courthouse, whose husband was invited to the Clinton-Blythe-Rockefeller White House, and whose daughter is now on the TN Supreme Court. That's a lot of organizational capacity.

2. Bombing and killing 40 women and children in Libya for the US Air Force, including the daughter of president Qadaffi when we bombed Qadaffi's house, without provocation, provocateured by Israeli Mossad running a false-flag covert radio broadcast in Libya. Queen of the 53-nation British Empire sent the RAF to help. Turns out US special forces rescued Qadaffi just hours before the bombing, "to prevent an international incident in case visiting dignitaries were killed at his house", according to the PhD chief of Public Affairs for the US Marine Corps at the Pentagon (who died shortly after making that statement). That's a lot of organizational capacity.
www.piratenews.org/pentagonwhistleblower.html

3. Nuking West Germany for the US Air Force. That's a lot of organizational capacity.

4. Nuking US military bases in England, near heavily populated ares, in controlled demolitions. This is a common job for 1,000s of US soldiers. That's a lot of organizational capacity.

During my govt employment, and after quitting govt in disgust, I sued it constantly in self defense, and file criminal charges against govt employees on a daily basis.
www.piratenews.org/newslinks.html

The verdict is still out on what really happened in Austin, since the real investigation is ongoing. Only a fool makes a decision based on incomplete data, while refusing to even consider every possibility besides the Official Big Brother Lone Nut Theory. There's too many weird coincidences and discrepancies in this particular case. Don't expect cops to solve this conspiracy, if it exists, since 99.9% of police detective work is prosecuting traffic tickets against non-govt employees.

90% of the public are cowards, not only in failing to take action, but in refusing even to admit it to themselves (because then they would have to take action, because they DO have a lot of power when they actually use it).

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
-Famous Dead Guy

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:17 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

PN's paranoia is funny sometimes, isn't he? Bet he gets most of his stuff from http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/ --oops, yup, there it is: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=114&contentid=66
87

Your link gives a great analysis of the Communist Income Tax and Jews Rockefeller. It's a repost from Dead Man Musings:

Was Joe Stack's Plane Crash a "False Flag"?
http://moneyteachers.org/Joe-Stacks.htm

ConspiracyPlanet.com includes govt writers like Al Martin, Lt Commander US Naval Intelligence, and Professor Texe Marrs PhD, Capt USAF Intelligence, who has written and sold millions of books including the US Military ASVAB Test. When you want the facts, listen to the eyewitnesses.
www.texemarrs.com

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Lt. Cmdr. Al Martin (US Navy, Ret) has testified before Congress for the Kerry Committee and the Alexander Committee, which investigated the illicit deals of so-called Iran-Contra.

Al Martin's new book, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider," is a true crime story and an unprecedented expose of high-level government crimes, coverups and scandals.

The book includes first-hand accounts of US Government-sanctioned narcotics trafficking, illegal weapons deals, and an epidemic of securities fraud, real estate fraud, banking fraud and insurance fraud by high-level government perps.

After he retired as from the Navy, Al Martin's life went into the fast lane as a black ops specialist and an Office of Navy Intelligenc (ONI) officer.

http://www.almartinraw.com/uri1.html

RIVERLOVE

Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:15 AM

When I was 4 I hot-wired a tractor trailer rig and drove it straight into my pre-Kindergarden class. I was irate that that the vanilla creme cupcakes we were supposed to have for lunch had been changed to chocolate swirl cupcakes. So I know exactly where this guy was coming from.

KWICKO

Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:44 PM

Quote:
Posted by PN:

Only a fool makes a decision based on incomplete data...

You've just branded yourself a fool, then, for portraying this as any kind of "govt psyop" when you yourself admit that you don't have the facts.

Show me how the government takes over and flies a $5000 plane that isn't equipped with modern avionics, OR show me that THIS particular plane had such avionics and control systems which would allow it to be taken over and flown by remote control, which would then put it far out of reach, financially speaking, of the average Joe.

You make a living making decisions on incomplete data, which means that you make a living out of being a fool.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Show me how the government takes over and flies a $5000 plane that isn't equipped with modern avionics, OR show me that THIS particular plane had such avionics and control systems which would allow it to be taken over and flown by remote control, which would then put it far out of reach, financially speaking, of the average Joe.

Nicola Tesla built the first remote control robot back in the 1800s, displayed at the World Fair, where he was also the first person to provide electricity to light a Worlds Fair.

US military has been flying robot planes in combat since World War #1 (see above).

Joe Kennedy Jr, heir to the presidency of the United States, was blown up while flying a kamikaze B24 in Project5 Aphrodite during World War #2. This was a US Govt plan to fill large airplanes with bombs and fly them by remote control to crash them into targets on the ground, using the same technology found in a $5,000 private plane. Joe Kennedy may have been assassinated, since Kermit "I Love False Flags" Roosevelt (son of FDR) was eyewitness to Kennedy's death.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aphrodite+joe+kennedy&sourceid=na
vclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGIC_en___US351&ie=UTF-8

Pentagon and CIA has been flying civilian robot planes in combat since the Vietnam War, using non-digital technology from the 1960s.

Vietnam War: Beechcraft Bonanza QU-22B Remote Control Drone
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=317
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap56.htm
http://www.piratenews.org/killer-robot-jetplanes.html

1960s Tech: A rare picture of the Beechcraft Bonanza QU-22 robot-drone complete with ground remote-control vehicle

FAA and NTSB has proven itself incompetent to investigate any plane crash involving murder, proven on 9/11/2001. US Senate candidate and presidential candidate JFK Jr and his family exploded in midair on final approach, according to eyewitnesses on the beach (allowing Hillary Clinton-Blythe-Rockefller to steal the US Senate job in NY).

Hitler bombed his enemies in midair, too, before and after his Reichstag Fire and Operation Himmler false-flag domestic terrorist bombings to "justify" WW2 and arrest of his political enemies.

Operation Northwoods
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html
http://www.mackwhite.com/northwoods.html

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NORTHWOODS

T O P S E C R E T S P E C I A L H A N D L I N G N O F O R N

THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
WASHINGTON 25, D.C.
13 March 1962

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

[signed]
L. L. Lemnitzer
Chairman
Joint Chiefs of Staff

1. Reference is made to memorandum from Chief of Operations, Cuba project, for General Craig, subject: "Operation MONGOOSE", dated 5 March 1962, which requested brief but precise description of pretexts which the Joint Chiefs of Staff consider would provide justifications for US military intervention in Cuba.

PRETEXTS TO JUSTIFY US MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CUBA

2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronilogical order):

(1) Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.

(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on the base.

(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the base.

(4) Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly Cubans).

(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

(6) Burn aircraft on airbase (sabatage).

(7) Lob morter shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.

(8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea of vicinity of Guantanamo City.

(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.

(10) Sabotage ship in har

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NIKI2

Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:43 PM

O2B, except for the VERY excellent quote, there’s nothing to reply to.

Little, you’d get a giggle at this; I went back up the entire thread looking for the post to which you referred—I didn’t catch it because you’d replied with quote, so it got turned the same blue as my own. THAT took a bit of time, hee, hee, hee!

To respond to what you said, however: Honey, you talk about whatever YOU feel comfortable talking about. I have no qualms about posting about anything, never have, but I recognize there’s nothing anyone here or anywhere on the internet can do to actually harm me, and I don’t give a shit what people think. But if either of those things bother YOU, then yes, you should think about what you post. On that other board I’m always mentioning, I was as open as I’ve always been, and it got used against me pretty nastily, like someone pretended to be someone who had known me for years, and “verified” everything bad they thought about me. I did go so far that time as to hunt down the imposter and show them up, but by then even THAT was believed to be faked by me. If I ever encounter a board like that again, I’ll get off quickly; it was a learning experience, to say the least. So yes, determined people CAN ruin your credibility, but that can’t happen here unless somehow they can convince everyone you’re a sock puppet. Otherwise, we’ve already gotten to know you well enough that we respect you, and everyone’s opinions, backgrounds and beliefs are respected here (with a few glaring exceptions), so you can’t lose credibility with US. ‘Kay? Just if you were wondering.

And by the way, “Everything Frem said”.

Magons, I agree 100%. Yes, there are working conspiracies, I have no doubt of it. But the kind of big ones, and the multiplicity of them, that PN believes exists? No, I don’t even begin to buy it, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Aside from that, if I lived like PN does, seeing them everywhere, what kind of life would that be? I’d be afraid of everything and feel helpless to do anything about it. No, for me, the only t-shirt that is valid is . I also agree with your conclusions about Stark; he was pathetic and sick, nothing more.

Frem, yes, you nailed it in a nutshell...life is too rich to spend my time paranoid of everything, as I said. And yes, it IS sick, but sickness, unlike conspiracies, DOES surround us and impact our lives...if we let it. I’ve never let it, and don’t intend to. Life is too short; I couldn’t do much about any actual conspiracies that exist; most of the real ones will fall apart or be ineffective just for the reasons Frem elucidated. Think about the shoe and underwear bombers—part of a real, vast conspiracy, and they fell flat on their faces. And all the fear Dumbya & Co. instilled in us only helped THEM; the “conspiracies” they claimed credit for stopping were pathetic.

Oh, gawd, Mike, WHY did you challenge PN? Gave me another sore scrolling finger; by now you should know better! Augh!!!

PN: go play with your toys, or better yet, get a life! The amount of time you spend posting this shit is gargantuan; I know there are others besides me who read the first sentence then get "scroll-finger" getting past the rest to where the sane are still discussing reality. I can only envision you hunched over your computer day in and day out , fantasies rolling around your brain, actually believing everyone READS this shit! Poor baby, someday you're gonna burn out and end up

Useless advice, I'm sure; rant away my man, it's probably the only pleasure you get...

KWICKO

Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:19 PM

John, you've shown only that remote control aircraft are POSSIBLE, something I never questioned. What I *SAID* was, show me where THIS airplane was flown by remote control, or how it was set up to be done for less than $5000.

There's a gulf's worth of difference between saying that it's POSSIBLE to fly an aircraft remotely, and announcing or alleging that THIS aircraft WAS flown and crashed by remote control.

You've said you'd only believe Joe Stack flew it himself if you had video evidence from the airport of him getting in the plane. I'll only accept your proposition that his corpse was loaded into the plane and it was flown into the building by remote control if YOU can provide me video evidence of "them" rigging his particular plane to fly remotely, and of "them" putting his dead corpse into the pilot's seat.

Fair enough?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, February 22, 2010 3:57 AM

Well, I thought this a bit odd, but still topical, kinda of a killdozer-lite response.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/02/19/bulldoze.foreclosed.hom
e.wlwt

(Sorry, couldn't find it in text yet)

-F

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, February 22, 2010 4:19 AM

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

WULFENSTAR

Monday, February 22, 2010 3:52 PM

Actually, Niki, I like this one.. lol

NIKI2

Monday, February 22, 2010 5:12 PM

Good one, Gino! Ahhh, Wulf; now I see where you get your attitude. I guess it shouldn't surprise me. Too bad you don't know about the REAL world, but we've been through that, so I won't try again.

KWICKO

Monday, February 22, 2010 7:21 PM

Yuppers, Wulfie's latest idol is that fat racist bastard with a crack-whore for a mom.

Kinda surprised I didn't see the parallels earlier.

Wulfie, you DO realize that Cartman is invariably made to look like an ass, and pretty much always gets his info wrong and is PROVEN wrong, don't you? Is that really who you're trying to emulate here?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

WULFENSTAR

Monday, February 22, 2010 8:49 PM

Problem is Kwick... hes at least half right most of the time.

lol

Now get out of my waterpark.

LITTLEBIRD

Monday, February 22, 2010 9:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Actually, Niki, I like this one.. lol

This one came directly to my inbox this morning when usually a post this far down the thread would not of.

I've heard it said that your childhood has made you the way you are, Wulfie. I think all of us on this list have probably had bad experiences to one degree or the other, but the majority of us at least *try* to learn and grow and sometimes make many mistakes along the way that might make us want to give up.

But not you. You label and laugh over and over again. I guess that's all you've got.

WULFENSTAR

Monday, February 22, 2010 10:32 PM

Ok, Little-one.

Yes. I laugh, and I joke with them... cus I've seen the end of what their beliefs and policies are.

I yell at the top of my lungs, bu that does nothing.

So I laugh, cus what else can I do? Fly a plane into a building? No.

First off, I can't fly... and secondly... that would do nothing. Im not about making innocents pay for the evils of the truly guilty.

What really cracks me up... is they could they see the end result of their belief system. They really could....

But it would require them going to places they would rather avoid.

They would have to see the reality of what they have created. And its something that isn't pretty.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, February 22, 2010 10:37 PM

Where's de plane?!

Quote:
Nothing in pilot Joe Stack's final exchange with the control tower at Georgetown Municipal Airport would have indicated anything was out of the ordinary on Thursday morning.

According to recordings, Stack's Piper N-28 Dakota was cleared for take-off at 9:45 a.m.

"Have a nice day," were Stack's final calm words.

THE BODIES HAVE YET TO BE IDENTIFIED ON MONDAY.

On Friday, NBC News learned details that would have indicated an even more methodical plan by Stack. A fuel drum was missing at the Georgetown airport, and seats had been taken out of Stack's plane.

That leads to the pressing question; Was there extra cargo on board Stack's Piper Dakota, a fuel drum intended to create the massive fire that occurred in the Echelon II building?

Pilot FAA audio: www.kxan.com/dpp/news/kxan-austin-Questions-about-extra-cargo-on-plane

100LL Avgas weighs 6.02 lbs per US gallon
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_100LL_avgas_weigh

"The plane that crashed into a Northwest Austin office building today was a Piper Cherokee PA-28-236 Dakota, a discontinued single-engine plane first produced in 1977. 236 Dakota has four seats, 235 horsepower and a top speed of 148 knots. That’s about 170 miles per hour. It carries a maximum of 72 gallons of fuel, weighs about 3,000 pounds fully loaded."
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter
/entries/2010/02/18/about_the_piper_cherokee_plane.html

How did a little plane cause so much damage?

IRS Eschelon Building renters moved out of bottom floor 1 week before kamikaze crash... Entire Travis County HAZMAT batallion parked across street in "wargame" 1 hour prior to kamikaze crash...

Quote:

Joe Stack's daughter, Samantha Bell calls dad 'Hero'

He may have been somewhat frustrated, but he was a very quiet man," Bell continued. "The father I knew was a loving, caring, devoted man who cherished every moment with me and my three children, his grandchildren.

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/02/22/2010-02-22_joe_stacks_dau
ghter_samantha_bell_calls_deadly_austin_attack_on_irs_wrong_but_la.html#ixzz0gIquaYou

Stack;s kids say "Joe Stack's Manifesto" was not written by Joe Stack...

TV News: "STRANGE TIMELINE REQUIRED STACK FIRE SET BY REMOTE CONTROL"...

NO EYEWITNESS TO JOE STACK SETTING A FIRE IN HIS HOME... FAMILY REFUSES ALL QUATIONS FROM NEWS MEDIA...

Quote:
STRANGE TIMELINE

"Police investigators want to know WHO did this and HOW they did this. What is curious to them is the TIMELINE, because the fire was reported in at 9:18 in the morning. 35 minutes later the plane slammed in to the Eschelon Building. Now it takes you 35 minutes to drive from here to the Georgetown Airport, let alone fly back. So there are questions whether of not a TIMER DEVICE or REMOTE DETONATION was involved in the fire yesterday. But the ATF people are pretty good..."
-KXAN NBC Austin

"Stack Family" statement by person who "NEVER MET THE STACK FAMILY"... "He used to be a spokesman for Texas DPS"... Just like Marina Oswald...

Joe Stack's Rage - Does It Fit The Crypocracy's Script?
http://rense.com/general89/cryp.htm

Quote:
On Thursday morning, just minutes before a single-engine plane would plunge into the Echelon I building, the Travis County Hazardous Materials Team gathered in the parking lot of Dave and Buster's at the intersection of U.S. 183 and MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1).

It was the first time the team, made up of firefighters from the Lake Travis, Pflugerville, Westlake, Oak Hill and other fire departments, had decided to hold its monthly training exercise there. Someone had heard that the big, empty lot was available, and it was a central location for team

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GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, February 22, 2010 11:07 PM

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

KWICKO

Monday, February 22, 2010 11:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok, Little-one.

Yes. I laugh, and I joke with them... cus I've seen the end of what their beliefs and policies are.

I yell at the top of my lungs, bu that does nothing.

So I laugh, cus what else can I do? Fly a plane into a building? No.

First off, I can't fly... and secondly... that would do nothing. Im not about making innocents pay for the evils of the truly guilty.

What really cracks me up... is they could they see the end result of their belief system. They really could....

But it would require them going to places they would rather avoid.

They would have to see the reality of what they have created. And its something that isn't pretty.

And what is the end result of YOUR belief system, Wulfie? Hell, for that matter, what IS your belief system? You always run away when asked about that, at best spluttering out a few platitudes ("I believe in freedom"; "I believe in good"; "I believe the children are our future") on your way out the door.

You SAY you believe in "the Constitution". Which parts, specifically? You seem to be one of those who is a "strict" Constitutionalist, but only on things that YOU want interpreted strictly. What's the end result of THAT belief system?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

OUT2THEBLACK

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:52 AM

Almost surprising that this fellow didn't get shot down , or the planeload of Folk killed after landing safely :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100223/ap_on_re_us/us_interstate_plane_ne
vada

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:46 AM

Come to find out, the particular bit of tax code he was railing about - guy had a lot of cause, it is in fact MORE of a screwjob to independent contractors than even in the cab industry, which as you might recall, I got driven out of for similar reasons.

Joe Stack wasn't wrong about the tax code
http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2010/02/19/joe_sta
ck_tax_problem_2

Mind you, that's Salon sayin that, a fairly mainstream source.

And Will Grigg takes the IRS to task for outright acknowledged, outright ADMITTED, criminal behavior to some pretty atrocious extremes.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/02/tyrants-torturers-and-tax
men-pillars-of.html

Not that I think it justifies what Stack did, being that the folks who wound up dead were without a doubt just folks tryin to make it in the world gettin about as screwed by the IRS as the rest of us, despite working there, cause it's only the bigwigs that get the special privileges...

It really makes me wonder if perhaps something like the Hashasheen isn't NECESSARY to a sane society, at least then the casualties would be limited and to more appropriate targets, cause this shit with us bombing each other in retaliation for crap the leaders on each side pull is just foolish and further enables them.

Why go after the drones carrying out the decision instead of the asshole making it ?

Just sayin...

-F

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:39 PM

EYEWITNESS SAYS NO HUMAN WAS IN COCKPIT OF JOE STACK'S PLANE.

NO WAY TO FIT 55-GALLON DRUM IN PIPER CHEROKEE THROUGH TINY CARGO DOOR.

"IT'S NOT HIM IT'S LIKE THE LETTER IS COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PERSON."
-JOE STACK'S FIRST DAUGHTER

It's SOP to manufacture "suicide bombers" by not telling YOUR employees they are delivering YOUR bomb.

Documentary Producer Arrested for Sending “7/7 Ripple Effect” DVD to 7/7 Terror Judge
http://www.prisonplanet.com/man-arrested-for-sending-%E2%80%9C77-rippl
e-effect%E2%80%9D-dvd-to-judge.html

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Why go after the drones carrying out the decision instead of the asshole making it ?

Drones carrying out the decision:

New Killer Drones Invade Airshow
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/07/new-killer-dr-1/

Assholes making it:

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:11 PM

Kosher Geithner press CONference at "kamikaze" attack bans Infowars Radio & TV, censors real questions
http://www.infowars.com/controlled-geithner-press-conference-shuts-out
-infowars-ignores-real-questions/

Treasury Sec Tim Geithner can't explain his failure to pay payroll taxes for several years
http://article.nationalreview.com/383259/geithner-cant-explain-his-fai
lure-to-pay-taxes/byron-york
http://article.nationalreview.com/383259/geithner-cant-explain-his-fai
lure-to-pay-taxes/byron-york

Financial Times Writer Compares Alex Jones With OKC "Bomber" Sgt Tim McVeigh (both innocent)
http://www.infowars.com/financial-times-writer-compares-alex-jones-wit
h-okc-bomber-timothy-mcveigh/

Quote:
Joe Stack’s Intriguing Connections With Defense Contractors, Intelligence Agencies

Austin suicide pilot Joe Stack kept some very interesting company as far as the client list for his software programming company is concerned, including a defense contractor with NSA and Homeland Security connections that ironically dealt with air defense systems.

The Georgetown Airport hanger in which Stack’s ill-fated Piper Cherokee was kept was jointly leased by Stack and a man called John Podolak, records show.

The Of Goats and Men blog highlights the fact that Podolak was appointed in 2004 to manage L-3 Avisys’ Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Counter-MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense Systems) initiative.

L-3 Avisys is a defense contractor with its main headquarters based in Austin Texas which sells products and works closely with the Department of Defense and unnamed “U.S. Government intelligence agencies”.

Podolak was hired to “oversee a strong team of more than 10 IRCM defense suppliers who will perform research studies and lead the transition of the team’s proposed CAPS (Commercial Airliner Protection System) technology to the airline industry.”

L-3 was also a key client for Stack’s software programming business. Stack helped develop a GPS-based Fight Management System for IEC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3.

L-3 was also investigated by the SEC for its role in the suspicious number of “put options” on United and American Airlines, speculation that a company’s stock will fall, in the days before 9/11.

Indeed, former NSA official Wayne Madsen wrote in September 2008 that, “A long-time L-3 Communications consultant for the National Security Agency (NSA) was, according to our source, one of the very few recipients of the live video stream that caught the first plane hitting the North Tower.”

“Other clients on the list such as DMC Stratex Networks and Sorrento Electronics also are defense contractors and probably a closer examination of these and other corporations on Stack’s client list will reveal more interesting details,” notes the blog.

The blog also highlights transponder flight tracking records of Stack’s plane which show that its last journey took place on August 6, 2009, and not on February 18 last week when the aircraft was slammed into the Echelon building.

One poster on the Prison Planet forum speculates, “This plane may still be in a hanger at GTU.”
Could Stack’s lightweight Piper Cherokee really have caused such drastic damage to the facade of the Echelon building when compared with other small planes that have crashed into buildings like that of New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle?

The huge fireball reported by eyewitnesses could well have been as a result of extra fuel canisters Stack had loaded onto the plane to inflict maximum damage, but this has yet to be confirmed by authorities.

Intimate ties with defense contractors, not just through his software company, but on a personal level with L-3’s John Podolak will only serve to deepen the intrigue surrounding the motivation behind Stack’s attack on the IRS building, with scant details having emerged since the tragic incident last week.

http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/02/joe-stack-austin-suicide-pil
ot-co-owned.html

http://www.infowars.com/joe-stacks-intri

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JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, October 18, 2021 4:55 AM

Soros crashes into Austin Texas

The Eye of Soros Drops $1 Million on Anti-Police Effort in Austin
https://freebeacon.com/policy/soros-drops-1-million-on-anti-police-eff
ort-in-austin/

The Hungarian-born Jew Bolsevik and former Nazi who crashed the Bank of England and political activist gave $500,000 through the Soros-backed Open Society Policy Center to a political action committee in opposition to a ballot initiative that forces the city to employ two police officers per 1,000 residents. Soros’s donation, made on Oct. 12, is his second of the month and comes as Austin experiences a decades-high spike in violent crime.

SECOND

Monday, October 18, 2021 5:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

The Hungarian-born Jew Bolsevik and former Nazi

Do much Jew-baiting, Jayneztown?

What is Proposition A?

“Shall a petitioned ordinance be approved to enhance public safety and police oversight, transparency and accountability by adding new chapter 2-16 to establish minimum standards for the police department to ensure effective public safety and protect residents and visitors to Austin, and prescribing minimal requirements for achieving the same, at an estimated cost of $271.5 million – $598.8 million over five years?”

Prop A would devastate city services and force Austin to lay off firefighters, medics and other staff only to spend tens of millions more on the police department.

https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2021/09/council-oks-new-ballot-l
anguage-for-prop-a/

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/police/prop-a-austin-police-staffing
-election-nov-2-texas-travis-county/269-cb02ec9c-3867-4f0c-a99d-6258c4299fd1

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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