'Expropriate it,' he said.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 19:01
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Iraq is no more taken over by us than Japan or Germany. As Obamessiah has stated, we're on course to leave, as we have always planned to leave.
Quote:But if we left Japan and Germany, why do we still have bases there? And I'll betcha dollars to donuts we'll have bases in Iraq too.
The overall point being, we left those countries
The occupation continues!
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Some people do start off with good points on both sides, Vixen, and some threads actually manage to survive and stay very civil conversations. It's why I come here.
This argument IS very partisan, however, and has even polarized people who pride themselves on not being partisan. I think it's because everyone inadvertently pushes everyone else's buttons. The people who tend to think most along party lines tend to polarize most, and they do it purposefully. Which is fairly ingenious actually, though it doesn't help long term board unity.
I sit on the sidelines and act as the peanut gallery when this happens. Mostly the anger subsides and people will get along again elsewhere, unless it gets too personal, in which case the argument requires neutral mediation to calm both sides down.
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AURaptor: Ahhhh, okay. I'm not sure if I agree, Germany and Japan don't have two major religious sects that hate each other and various tribal disputes to deal with, so nation building is a lot more difficult. Frankly I think we ought to just LET the tribes and religions define their own mini-states, rather than try to force them all to work and live together. As in Afghanistan, much of the population appears to be fairly mobile, and if not mobile, then capable of mobilization. A history of caravans and nomadic tribalism is in their blood, and there might be less conflict if we just let all the like groups group and settle together.
But I now understand where this fits in the conversation. Thanks for clarifying.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Still, not such a great idea to walk into a country and carve it up. It's basically trying to build a skyscraper with only dynamite and bullets.
Ding Ding Ding.
You win the kewpie doll.
That's kinda my point - right along with that folks like Khomeni, Chavez and Castro are an all but inevitable side effect of that foolishness and we should admit to bearing some small part of our own complicity in that.
Side note, btw - the Japanese are pretty pissed off about those bases right now, and since we have no real reason to be there, happen to be up to our ass in middle east quicksand, not to mention stretched thin militarily, happen to be making an issue of it, while betting on our desperate need for boots on the ground to help advance their desire to be rid of the damned things.
-F
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Absolutely, the issues, differences and problems from one situation to the next are many.
Didn't mean to imply otherwise.
And as for having bases in other countries.... where's Ron Paul when ya need him ? 
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Ooh, yeah, decommission some of our bases. There's an idea I think most everyone could get behind. Close up some monetary sinkholes, which for us would be only beneficial for the economy. Plus it would help generate good feelings from the locals, especially if we show that see, America IS willing to give up the land when the job is done. In theory I don't know how true that is, because often times these same bases are a foothold for economic interests (especially military contractors), but it'd still be a nice gesture.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Having nothing substantive to refute my post with, you launched right into a personal attack
Sorry, Siggy, but when you spend two paragraphs insulting someone, you really shouldn't expect them to take the time to wade through your paranoid insults and provide substantive refutations of whatever little bits of discussion you hide there.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Having nothing substantive to refute my post with, you launched right into a personal attack
Sorry, Siggy, but when you spend two paragraphs insulting someone, you really shouldn't expect them to take the time to wade through your paranoid insults and provide substantive refutations of whatever little bits of discussion you hide there.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Geezer. Changing the topic again, I see. Why should I be surprised?
Mike
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