The economy is so bad...

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PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:11 PM

The economy is so bad, Verizon fired 36,000 employees, lost $653 million last quarter.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/26/news/companies/verizon_layoffs/

The economy is so bad that I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.

The economy is so bad that CEO’s are now playing miniature golf.

The economy is so bad if the bank returns your check marked “Insufficient Funds,” you call them and ask if they meant you or them.

The economy is so bad Hot Wheels and Matchbox stocks are trading higher than GM.

The economy is so bad Obama met with three small businesses to discuss the Stimulus Package: GE, Pfizer, and JP Morgan.

The economy is so bad parents in Beverly Hills fired their nannies and learned their children’s names.

The economy is so bad Motel Six won’t leave the light on anymore.

The economy is so bad the Mafia is laying off judges.

The economy is so bad Dick Cheney took his stockbroker hunting.

The economy is so bad Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen.

It’s so bad, I ordered a burger at McDonalds and the kid behind the counter asked, “Can you afford fries with that?”

Quote:
"Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:25 PM

Is the economy really that bad? Depends on whose doing the reporting I suppose, but it's a fact that:
90% of people are employed
93% of people are paying their mortgages on time
Real estate sales are up and increasing
Property values have stabilized and are coming back
GDP is up
Most economic sectors' securities are up or stable

I see mainly the Federal Govt.'s and some States' deficit and debt as the biggest problems. But we've experienced that before, and we've seen the economy come back time and again. Don't sell your comic books just yet.

PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:02 PM

The economy is so bad that when I go to the local mall and I have to fight for a parking spot.

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

The economy is so bad, Verizon fired 36,000 employees, lost $653 million last quarter.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/26/news/companies/verizon_layoffs/

Verizon is finally pushing the fact that FIOS is now being installed in my neighborhood.
They been advertising special deals on the thing for, like, 2 years. And I remember, almost 2 years ago, they hung miles of new fibre-optic cable on my main street, and had a guy blocking traffic for 3 days in my alley, splicing the stuff. I called them and asked, repeatedly, when I could upgrade my phone and internet to FIOS, and was told,"It's coming soon to your neighborhood." So I went out with my Christmas bonus and signed up for the local CABLE phone, TV and Internet service. Not that a cable company is really a lot better, but they offered the service I want, available, at a beter prce.
Verizon was a day late and a dollar short. If they're going in the tank, it's because they got as dumb, greedy and lazy, not to mention monopolistic, as a lot of other big American companies, and they totally deserve what they get.

Other than that, nice collection of jokes...

NIKI2

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:14 PM

Just to play devil's advocate, JS:

--90% of people are employed -- not necessarily. I believe unemployment figures don't count people who've given up looking for work as well as people who are working part-time, which isn't enough to sustain them. I think that's been well enough known to be almost a joke for a long time.

--93% of people are paying their mortgages on time -- that doesn't show how many are barely doing so, how many are using up their savings to do so, how hard or how many jobs people are having to work to stay above water; those figures might give a more accurate picture.

--Real estate sales are up and increasing -- how much of that is due to stimulus effects, such as the first-time-buyer thing and various subsidies? And given HOW low real estate sales have been, is "up" not a relative thing?

--Property values have stabilized and are coming back -- I'm not sure how much I trust that, but regardless: again, they've been SO low, partly because banks just gave up on foreclosed homes; if people are able to buy those foreclosed homes at a discount because of the economic mess, certainly that would bring "property values" up, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean things are stable.

--GDP is up. That's pretty recent, isn't it?

--Most economic sectors' securities are up or stable -- I'd need some cites on that to agree.

The biggest question really is, how much of all of this is due to the stimulus and other things which either might not be without them or might react negatively once there's no more stimulus.

I can tell you that in this city, in one of the richest counties in California, I have seen more long-existing businesses fold than in the 30+ years we've lived here, and another high number of businesses move into lower-cost locations. It's unprecedented, and it's not just California.

I'm afraid I don't see the rosy picture you seem to, and think we have a long ways to go for things to start looking as good as what you see.

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Just to play devil's advocate, JS:

--90% of people are employed -- not necessarily. I believe unemployment figures don't count people who've given up looking for work as well as people who are working part-time, which isn't enough to sustain them. I think that's been well enough known to be almost a joke for a long time.

--93% of people are paying their mortgages on time -- that doesn't show how many are barely doing so, how many are using up their savings to do so, how hard or how many jobs people are having to work to stay above water; those figures might give a more accurate picture.

--Real estate sales are up and increasing -- how much of that is due to stimulus effects, such as the first-time-buyer thing and various subsidies? And given HOW low real estate sales have been, is "up" not a relative thing?

--Property values have stabilized and are coming back -- I'm not sure how much I trust that, but regardless: again, they've been SO low, partly because banks just gave up on foreclosed homes; if people are able to buy those foreclosed homes at a discount because of the economic mess, certainly that would bring "property values" up, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean things are stable.

--GDP is up. That's pretty recent, isn't it?

--Most economic sectors' securities are up or stable -- I'd need some cites on that to agree.

The biggest question really is, how much of all of this is due to the stimulus and other things which either might not be without them or might react negatively once there's no more stimulus.

I can tell you that in this city, in one of the richest counties in California, I have seen more long-existing businesses fold than in the 30+ years we've lived here, and another high number of businesses move into lower-cost locations. It's unprecedented, and it's not just California.

I'm afraid I don't see the rosy picture you seem to, and think we have a long ways to go for things to start looking as good as what you see.

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

LITTLEBIRD

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:56 PM

I agree with the devil's advocate on this one. :) Good points.

Hershey Candy is doing quite well though, but is that because the economy is improving or are depressed unemployed or underemployed people eating more comfort food? I guess it also helps when you raise your prices.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hershey-4Q-profit-climbs-apf-816677910.h
tml?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:17 PM

The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

.... damn I really hate hippies. I mean, I have like 5 other threads where Im making good points, being fair, treating people well... and I just have, HAVE to make a crack at hippies...

*Sigh

Oh well.

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

.... damn I really hate hippies. I mean, I have like 5 other threads where Im making good points, being fair, treating people well... and I just have, HAVE to make a crack at hippies...

*Sigh

Oh well.

And you give me shit 'cause I find christians and conservatives to be utterly worthless...

Oh, wait - you're both, aren't you?

Guess that proves my point!

Or is it only wrong if *I* lump people together?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

WULFENSTAR

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:27 PM

Nice try Kwick... but Im neither.

But no. I dont give you shit for lumping people together. People here give ME shit for doing that... you know...

I give YOU shit for your, and YOURS ALONE beliefs...

B/c the true test of liberty is when a singular belief can be tested without bearing on the people at large.

I know that idea has flown over the heads of a lot of people here. No offense.

KWICKO

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:43 PM

Well, let's see, Wulfie -

You DON'T lump people together? Really? You give ME shit for my beliefs, and my beliefs alone? Really?

So I'm an old hippie (okay, not THAT old). You assume I don't have a job and live in my mom's basement. Or at least that's the group you'd lump me into.

Truth be told, I haven't been without a job since I was 13. And I was working full-time and sneaking into and out of high school to do it when I was 16. And I was working THREE jobs when I was 20 (one 8-5 M-F, one 6-midnight M-F, and then I'd do double shifts on Saturday and Sunday at a restaurant). Now, almost 30 years later, I'm down to only one job, about 50 hours a week.

And sorry to disappoint, but I bathe every day. Sometimes twice a day, since it can be a sweaty job (once in the morning, once when I get home). And I can't tolerate patchouli oil.

And I've been on my own since I was 16, too. No basement living for me, sorry.

I'm sure none of that will shatter your illusions of hippies. Neither will their anti-authority stances, which you sometimes claim to share.

LITTLEBIRD

Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

.... damn I really hate hippies. I mean, I have like 5 other threads where Im making good points, being fair, treating people well... and I just have, HAVE to make a crack at hippies...

*Sigh

Oh well.

Normally I try to treat people fairly and not prejudge them because that is the way I like to be treated. But, I have identified myself as being a hippie on this list, so I am going to take this hatred of yours personally this time.

I would argue that you tend to lump people together into categories without understanding the intricacies involved, but others better than I have tried to make that point and obviously it has not made a bit of difference.

So I just have, HAVE to make a crack and say, "I think you have a little problem with your brain being missing."

You seem to go out of your way to set yourself up for this.

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

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KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Well, if Jongs is stupid on this one...

... Then I'm with Stupid!

In other words, I agree 100%.

Sure, things aren't great. I think we've seen the worst, though. Call it "hope". I think I heard that word somewhere around here, 'bout a year or so ago.

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:38 AM

By the way, the economy's so bad that I got up today and went to work, same as I've been doing for the last 35 years... Heck, I even worked all through the horrible Carter years. And then through the early years of Reagan, which were even worse.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Depends on whose doing the reporting I suppose, but it's a fact that: 90% of people are employed

Unemployment is over 30% on average, 80% in some US cities like Detroit.

Funny how They don't count most folk... and let foreign robots "count" their votes.

Funny how 50-million illegal aliens stole 10-million jobs.

Figures lie and liars figure. Ask Al Gore.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:52 AM

It's the "even-ing out" that we see happening.
Unemployment going away, but less hours & less pay.
Welcome to the future. Secure and financially restrained.
The "American way of life" is forever changed.
But flat screen HD TV's are affordable.
Good w/the badisall.

The laughing Chrisisall

LITTLEBIRD

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

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PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

The economy is so bad that when I go to the local mall and I have to fight for a parking spot.

Funny how malls in TN are ghost towns, owned by mafia mobsters, according to newspaper cover stories, where our sheriff confessed to stealing cars with a convicted copkiller, and girls are stalked and murdered because there's no security cameras. The reporter who wrote that cover story wound up swimmin with the fishes, in winter...

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Real estate sales are up and increasing. Property values have stabilized and are coming back. GDP is up.

At my father-in-law's murder/funeral last week, his friend told us his 35-acre home on the lake is valued at $1.5-million, but nobody will buy it for $750,000. He has no job because there's no construction business. He can't pay his mortgage because he's spending $2,500 co-pay every visit to the doctor for his wife's chemo, but bank won't foreclose because the property is so far upside down.

My mom's house is paid for, but her doctors and her husband's doctors will try to steal it, as co-payment for murdering him, and for her parkinson's caused by side effect to other meds.

A security system salegirl told me she closed on her mortgage this week. Bank demanded mortgage insurance even with 20% down, because in 12 months they will be upside down, and bank can instantly foreclose despite never missing a payment.

All is Hell.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

But flat screen HD TV's are affordable.

My mom's HDTV is now on sale for $2,500. Not counting her DishNetwork, VHS, DVD, BluRay.

The economy is so bad, Arnold the Nazi Governator pays Cali employees with IOUs, refuses to pay Unemployment Insurance benefits, and declared that HDTVs are illegal, and only criminals own HDTVs.*

The economy is so bad, Senator Scott Brown is a male stripper, and pimps out his stripper wife.
www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&aq=1&oq=scott+brown+cos
mo&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=scott+brown+cosmo+1982

US Senator Scott Brown, "America's Sexiest Manho"

*He's a homosexual male stripper, just like Senator Scott Brown.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

The economy is so bad, Ghouliani's NYC Kosher Nostra hijacked AMA Sportbike racin, banned the factory teams, and Harley put Buell out of business, took the money and ran. Pro athletes are now unemployed in USA. It's the end of motorcycle racin as we know it.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jan/100108-92-interview.htm
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jan/100129llinterview.htm
http://www.theriderfiles.com/?p=1225

The economy is so bad, last week Tony George got fired from the board of directors by his family at Indy 500 Speedway Corp, with IRL CEO replaced by BULL RIDING (no bull). This week Tony fired his family and closed his own Indy 500 racin team.
http://www.visionracing.com/news/index.cfm?cid=24942
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=39183

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

It's a war out there. Nuttin personal, jus bizniss.

But it is a fight to the death.

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

The economy is so bad, my sister the Commie yippie quit her teaching job in Bejing Commie China, quit her lawyer job in USA, sold her car, sold her TV, cancelled her internet, and became a law professor paid $6,000 a year, if she can get full-time work. How's that for a $200,000 degree from Yale? She's now living with my crippled mom, tryin to steal her estate (before the doctors steal it).

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

I think you completely misread what I said. Com-pletely. But, whatever, the most important question for you Littlebird is do you want your voice to be heard?

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KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Depends on whose doing the reporting I suppose, but it's a fact that: 90% of people are employed

Unemployment is over 30% on average, 80% in some US cities like Detroit.

Funny how They don't count most folk... and let foreign robots "count" their votes.

Funny how 50-million illegal aliens stole 10-million jobs.

Figures lie and liars figure. Ask Al Gore.

So with all those figures you just included, you're saying you're lying?

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

'Bird, don't let it get to ya. A goodly chunk of what goes on here is tit-for-tat, and some of it's even good-natured ribbing amongst what passes for "old friends" who've been doing this with (or at) each other for years. A lot of it's like old couples bickering - they seem nasty and testy, but it's done with real care. :)

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:02 AM

Wow, PN, you sure do seem to love the "homosexual male strippers". Something you need to tell us?

LITTLEBIRD

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

I think you completely misread what I said. Com-pletely. But, whatever, the most important question for you Littlebird is do you want your voice to be heard?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

I'm sorry if I misread what you said. All the conversations and opinions whizzing by at the speed of light boggles my mind some days. I'll take a little break and continue chirping when I get a grip.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming now.

LITTLEBIRD

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

'Bird, don't let it get to ya. A goodly chunk of what goes on here is tit-for-tat, and some of it's even good-natured ribbing amongst what passes for "old friends" who've been doing this with (or at) each other for years. A lot of it's like old couples bickering - they seem nasty and testy, but it's done with real care. :)

Thank's Kwicko. Noted.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:10 AM

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:52 AM

Ya, it's comparatively polite, in respect to.. erm, what happens to hateful intolerant bigoted types who start advocating wholesale genocide as a good idea...

Be glad you missed it.

-F

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:43 AM

Please - if you like Firefly, read The Walking Dead. I'm serious, it has many of the same Firefly traits, like quality! Just try it.

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
I'm sorry if I misread what you said. All the conversations and opinions whizzing by at the speed of light boggles my mind some days. I'll take a little break and continue chirping when I get a grip.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming now.

Speed of light? DT?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

LITTLEBIRD

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:47 AM

Ah.. some days it just does not pay to even get out of bed. No, not DT.

Are you talking about the Walking Dead books by Robert Kirkman?

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:20 AM

A bit of Math for everyone

http://www.cli.gs/MathematicsOfRule

The Mathematics of Rule

A mathematical proof of the relationship between productive activity and survival of society is derived. This is the most basic law of economics and civilization, which is suppressed and strategically denied by the economics "profession" worldwide, in a futile attempt to obscure the truth and defraud mankind of any possibility of freedom or survival.

Check it out, it is fun

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

The RWED has evolved much in recent times. It is actually much better now in terms of civility and content. You may not be able to see that, being relatively new here, but it is. For one thing, there are far far less participants here every day, so your words have greater meaning now than in the past. Sometimes folks here will just ignore you, sometimes agree, and sometimes challenge what you write. The degree of nastiness and ideological blindness has lessened. If you want to get something out of this forum you have to be able to give AND take. I came on board a few years ago as a pure 100% ideologue. So did others. Some have dropped out because they could not handle other's opinions or criticism, and some have stuck with it. Why, you may ask? I've asked that myself many times over the years, especially at times when I perhaps was raked over the coals, insulted, mocked, scoffed, and be-bopped. I stay and persevere because it's fun and informative. There are very few avenues of communication out there where Conservatives AND Liberals can engage each other directly. Usually, other sites are geared towards one or the other, and the blogs just reflect the unity of the group's common beliefs. Pretty boring if you ask me. Here, everything is discussed and debated. I like that. People that have endured here and that have my respect are people that are not afraid to occasionally admit that they may have been wrong about something.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Real estate sales are up and increasing. Property values have stabilized and are coming back. GDP is up.

At my father-in-law's murder/funeral last week, his friend told us his 35-acre home on the lake is valued at $1.5-million, but nobody will buy it for $750,000. He has no job because there's no construction business. He can't pay his mortgage because he's spending $2,500 co-pay every visit to the doctor for his wife's chemo, but bank won't foreclose because the property is so far upside down.

My mom's house is paid for, but her doctors and her husband's doctors will try to steal it, as co-payment for murdering him, and for her parkinson's caused by side effect to other meds.

A security system salegirl told me she closed on her mortgage this week. Bank demanded mortgage insurance even with 20% down, because in 12 months they will be upside down, and bank can instantly foreclose despite never missing a payment.

All is Hell.

Lots of sad stories out there, but I suspect there are usually more details to these stories than are ever revealed. No doubt things will get better, they always do. In the meantime, you take positive action to deal with the realities in your life. Ultimately, no one can help you except yourself. The sooner you realize that the better. Hate-mongering, fear-mongering, and blind ideology accomplish nothing. Our country is not perfect, but it's the only one we got.

Hey PN, how 'bout using your talent, ability, and time for positive things? A person like you, with seemingly endless resources and a strong desire to promulgate news, should be helping and educating people. Instead you relish and spread the fear and the hate and the lies. Everything you do adds up to a big nothing. It's not that hard to adapt a new approach. Try it, you may be pleasantly surprised that you can indeed make a difference in peoples' lives for the better.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Well, if Jongs is stupid on this one...

... Then I'm with Stupid!

In other words, I agree 100%.

Sure, things aren't great. I think we've seen the worst, though. Call it "hope". I think I heard that word somewhere around here, 'bout a year or so ago.

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

I appreciate your agreement here, and on a few other things recently as well.

PIZMOBEACH

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

Ah.. some days it just does not pay to even get out of bed. No, not DT.

Are you talking about the Walking Dead books by Robert Kirkman?

Yes, those books - though I inadvertently posted that here - too many browser windows open!

I agree with what Jongs and others have said. You have a different voice, it's great to have it added to the mix.
Personally, I'd much prefer to talk to people face to face, that's a medium I'm much more comfortable with. Posting? Text? It's a continuous experiment with the temptation always to stop. But this is such a unique form that I keep getting pulled back, partly to show support for the show and partly to show support for the site/members who post and some of it for simple self expression.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

PIRATENEWS

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

"Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. Everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves to one or two children. Communist China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too. A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid."
-Ted Turner, founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary tax-free in one day and owns 1,910,000 acres (more land in USA than any other US citizen), father of 5 kids, Bilderberg Secret Society
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

www.slingshottshirts.com/SerenityFirefly-T-Shirts.aspx

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Well, if Jongs is stupid on this one...

... Then I'm with Stupid!

In other words, I agree 100%.

Sure, things aren't great. I think we've seen the worst, though. Call it "hope". I think I heard that word somewhere around here, 'bout a year or so ago.

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

I appreciate your agreement here, and on a few other things recently as well.

Oh, it's not a problem at all, Jongs. We've had our differences, but they've almost always been along party lines. As you say, you came here as a bit of an idealogue, and I did the same, but from the other end of the spectrum.

And it only took two disastrous presidencies to bring us nearer to the middle! :)

You became disenchanted and disillusioned by Bush, and I've become the same over Obama. Maybe history will be kinder to Bush in time, and maybe Obama can pull his head out in time to avoid a complete muck-up of the job. Meanwhile, we soldier on, and we'll bicker here and there, but at the end of the day, we'll still be wearing the same color coat as always. At least, I hope so. My coat is brown; I assume yours is as well. :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

SIGNYM

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:47 PM

GINO: RE EQN- WOW.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 5:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

The economy is so bad, my sister the Commie yippie quit her teaching job in Bejing Commie China, quit her lawyer job in USA, sold her car, sold her TV, cancelled her internet, and became a law professor paid $6,000 a year, if she can get full-time work. How's that for a $200,000 degree from Yale?

All she's gotta do now is change her name to KingEcholtz.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 5:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

The economy is so bad, my sister the Commie yippie quit her teaching job in Bejing Commie China, quit her lawyer job in USA, sold her car, sold her TV, cancelled her internet, and became a law professor paid $6,000 a year, if she can get full-time work. How's that for a $200,000 degree from Yale?

All she's gotta do now is change her name to KingEcholtz.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:51 PM

.

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are depressed unemployed or underemployed people eating more comfort food?

Bingo, Little. Same reason precisely that movies make more money during depressions—people seek comfort, escape, whatever little things they can find to make them feel better. And of course we know chocolate raises our serotonin levil…

Sigh, Wulf, there you go again. Got news for you:

Quote:
Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer

It’s the exigencies of YUPPIES who put us in the state we’re in—-you know, the generations who followed hippies? HIPPIES are in their fifties and sixties, they got out long ago and are now supporting THEIR kids; your hatred is a few decades behind the times. The youngsters today living with their parents are a reflection of a society where “making it” is harder and harder…and by the way, that’s been going on all over the world for ages, long before us, we’re just coming into it late because we were a rich nation for longer. It has been expected that young people would live with their parents longer in England, and other places. At LEAST leave off the hippies unless you can rage against them with a tiny bit of reality.

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:52 PM

Chris, I agree with part of what you said; Currently, yes; unemployment going away, but less hours & less pay. I don’t think it necessarily reflects a future that’s secure and financially restrained. I agree, however, that the "American way of life" is forever changed. I, too, have a bit of hope left still, and am turning that hope to the possibility that we are turning, if we haven’t yet quite turned, the corner. Time only will tell.

Yes, Little, it can get ugly down here, and if it’s not good for you, you need to take care of YOU first. At the same time, by now you must have seen that the majority of people in RWED are bright people who are willing to debate honestly; those who have no argument so just throw stones, or are so defensive of their argument that they can only hurl personal vitriol, are in the minority, and the rest put them in their place fairly regularly. No place is 100% safe, and unless you want to do nothing but “play”, the only place to find honest discussions about our world and to learn and grow are places like this. We do our best to protect you, and believe me, there is FAR worse out there! I came from one of those worse places, and this is like a love fest in comparison. Only you can decide what’s worth it for you. For me, it’s an absolute joy to be here and find so many intelligent, KNOWLEDGEABLE people who see past the fantasies and narrow-minded propaganda out there.

I certainly understand what you mean about zipping by, sometimes it makes my head spin! Mostly it makes it so I have to write these long, rambling posts in order to catch up—the next time I come here, do it again! I hate writing so long, believe it or not, because I know how hard it is for ME to read long posts, but I don’t know how to do otherwise if I want to stay up with the discussions! It’s more than worth it, to me; you have to decide for you. But personally I think you being here improves the place; every voice of sense, compassion and curiosity enhances the rest of us.

I would also add: “Everything JS said about this forum”

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:52 PM

On the other hand, JS:

Quote:
Hey PN, how 'bout using your talent, ability, and time for positive things?

As IF! Some people thrive on ugliness and live for their anger; just suggesting someone like that change has GOT to make the ice tea come out of my nose (and it did—now YOU owe ME a keyboard!)

WULFENSTAR

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:19 PM

"As IF! Some people thrive on ugliness and live for their anger; just suggesting someone like that change has GOT to make the ice tea come out of my nose (and it did—now YOU owe ME a keyboard!)"

How very liberal and democratic of you.

No really.

You guys prove how full of go-se so called liberals elitists really are.

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"As IF! Some people thrive on ugliness and live for their anger; just suggesting someone like that change has GOT to make the ice tea come out of my nose (and it did—now YOU owe ME a keyboard!)"

How very liberal and democratic of you.

No really.

You guys prove how full of go-se so called liberals elitists really are.

As you prove how full of shit Republican conservative fundamentalists are. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

LITTLEBIRD

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

The RWED has evolved much in recent times. It is actually much better now in terms of civility and content. You may not be able to see that, being relatively new here, but it is. For one thing, there are far far less participants here every day, so your words have greater meaning now than in the past. Sometimes folks here will just ignore you, sometimes agree, and sometimes challenge what you write. The degree of nastiness and ideological blindness has lessened. If you want to get something out of this forum you have to be able to give AND take. I came on board a few years ago as a pure 100% ideologue. So did others. Some have dropped out because they could not handle other's opinions or criticism, and some have stuck with it. Why, you may ask? I've asked that myself many times over the years, especially at times when I perhaps was raked over the coals, insulted, mocked, scoffed, and be-bopped. I stay and persevere because it's fun and informative. There are very few avenues of communication out there where Conservatives AND Liberals can engage each other directly. Usually, other sites are geared towards one or the other, and the blogs just reflect the unity of the group's common beliefs. Pretty boring if you ask me. Here, everything is discussed and debated. I like that. People that have endured here and that have my respect are people that are not afraid to occasionally admit that they may have been wrong about something.

JS and All

Thank you for your messages of encouragement. I do feel as if I have found a home here and it would be very hard for me to leave now. I agree that the people here are special and that is what drew me to this list in the first place. I see a reflection here of what appealed to me on the FF show in the first place. A group of people who in many ways are as different as night and day, but who are a family and will stick by each other and at least 'try' to make it work. Of course Mal had to send Jayne away from the table and threaten him with the airlock once to bring him in line. :)

JS, I admire your ability to reach across party lines and engage with the *others*. I appreciate that you are trying to find ways to actually make the democratic party look good. I'm not sure that is possible anymore, but nice try. I'll leave it to those of you who have greater verbal skills than I to discuss the intricacies of what is happening in the political scene today. I really enjoy reading your all your posts.

I am sorry for yesterday. I was trying to find a way to express my frustration with the economic reality I see all around me as compared to the statistics you posted. My husband and I are managing to keep a roof over our head and food on the table, but that is about all. He is handicapped to a degree and I am his primary care giver. We do not have medical insurance. Any money we can scrape together at the end of the month goes to a family member and friend who are unemployed through no fault of their own. I will believe the statistics when I see them reflected in the real world.

I know I should not let certain people on this list get to me, but I did. I was rattled when a certain someone decided to insert himself into the conversation and spew his hatred around. I was not thinking to clearly after that and I'm sorry.

So, today is a new day and I will continue sh

NIKI2

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 11:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"As IF! Some people thrive on ugliness and live for their anger; just suggesting someone like that change has GOT to make the ice tea come out of my nose (and it did—now YOU owe ME a keyboard!)"

How very liberal and democratic of you.

No really.

You guys prove how full of go-se so called liberals elitists really are.

Oh, my Wulf, you are so pitifully predictable. A surprise would be nice every now and then... or not.

I stated a fact, long accepted by psychologists and millions of regular folk. It's a sad fact, and one that hopefully makes us see these kinds of people as human beings and fallible, rather than lumping them into a category and dehumanizing them--which is always the best way to make it easy to hate. So I guess all of us who recognize that very natural fact about some humans' nature makes us all liberal elitists.

You could try harder to make reasonable, believable snarks, you know--from the brain, not the gut--if you wanted to be taken seriously. Unfortunately I don't think you do.

I dislike PN strongly, mostly because his posts are so incredibly "out there" most of the time, and filled unilaterally with hate, anger, racism and fantasy. It offends me. So I'm resentful when I think about him, which isn't often, or I have to scroll past one of his posts. To hear someone suggest he do something halfway human makes me snort. I don't apologize for snarking about him; how I feel about what I say is not great, but it doesn't bother me that much now and again to snark.

That has to do with me, nobody else in the world. If you've got a problem with me, hey, say so--you never have any problem doing so. But that you have no better rejoinder than to spout visceral slurs that don't make any sense is just plain lamentable and speaks to you, nobody else in the world.

I hope there aren't too many big words in there for you to understand. There's a difference between "elitist" and "educated", whether you know it or not. (/snark)

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 11:56 PM

Yanno, Wulfie-childe... was I you, I'd be a little more polite to the folk who are likely to be your only decent food supply if things ever do go all pear shaped.

And before you even countenance the thought you've not the courage to give voice to - remember that while Hippies are not themselves violent, they have lots of friends who are.

Besides, if you hate them so much, then why don't you give back everything their blood and sorrow bought you, ya little punk - from the bill of rights, to the forty hour work week, almost every social advance you enjoy, everything that prevents you from being a complete corp-slave, was paid for in the blood of those Anarcho-Liberal-Commie-Hippie types you hate so very much, and yet you while enjoying the benefits that they sacrificed so much to bring you, there you are cuddling up to the fuckers who slaughtered em in droves trying to prevent it, and pointing fingers.

Hypocrite.

-F

NIKI2

Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:02 AM

Little, you have voiced everything positive I found here too, and you're right, they DO rock!

Frem: Pissed off some? A bit more vociferous than usual, it seems...

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:10 AM

The economy is so bad, kosher porn stars are starving due to free porn:
www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1174438874&play=1

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

I dislike PN strongly, mostly because his posts are so incredibly "out there" most of the time, and filled unilaterally with hate, anger, racism and fantasy. It offends me. So I'm resentful when I think about him, which isn't often, or I have to scroll past one of his posts.

Nikovich is an insane kosher lesbian pervert hippie criminal traitor, probably on the payroll of Hussein Obama, since "she" didn't materialize until the Hussein Regime CHANGE. She sounds like one of those CIA grannies who ambushed Governor Jesse Ventura his first week in office. Something about old women with strap-ons is creepifyin.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Yanno, Wulfie-childe... was I you, I'd be a little more polite to the folk who are likely to be your only decent food supply if things ever do go all pear shaped.

And before you even countenance the thought you've not the courage to give voice to - remember that while Hippies are not themselves violent, they have lots of friends who are.

Besides, if you hate them so much, then why don't you give back everything their blood and sorrow bought you, ya little punk - from the bill of rights, to the forty hour work week, almost every social advance you enjoy, everything that prevents you from being a complete corp-slave, was paid for in the blood of those Anarcho-Liberal-Commie-Hippie types you hate so very much, and yet you while enjoying the benefits that they sacrificed so much to bring you, there you are cuddling up to the fuckers who slaughtered em in droves trying to prevent it, and pointing fingers.

Hypocrite.

-F

YESSSSS!!!! Thanks for saying it out loud, Frem. It gets forgotten too bloody damned often.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:17 AM

Quote:
...probably on the payroll of Hussein Obama, since "she" didn't materialize until the Hussein Regime CHANGE.

I'd note for the record that YOU joined during the Bush years. What's that say about who YOUR sugardaddy is?

But what I like most about Niki, aside from her just being so awesome in general, is that she really seems to get to you. Of everyone here, she's the one that gets you riled up. What's that saying about you and your issues, John?

And you seem to have a bit of an obsession with strange porn lately. Has your wife been spending extra time with her illegal friends down at the fast-food joint? Feeling a little left out?

[Edited to remove a snark that just really crossed a line.]

KWICKO

Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Little, you have voiced everything positive I found here too, and you're right, they DO rock!

Frem: Pissed off some? A bit more vociferous than usual, it seems...

I don't read Frem as being pissed. I read him as being DONE when it comes to Wulfie. He's shown the patience of Job in trying to guide the twerp, and has been rebuffed and ignored at every juncture. So he's through trying to teach Wulfie anything, unless that lesson can be taught with a swift kick in the ass, 'cause that seems to be all Frem has the patience for where Wulfie's concerned.

NIKI2

Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:33 AM

Kinda the feeling I got, too, which is why the tease...

Just noticed: Wulf popped in to make a crack at hippies, responded to Mike, then popped back in to make a crack at "liberal elitists" and disappeared again. Poor baby, can't keep up with the grown-ups? Nothing flew, did it? That's okay, maybe better luck next time...

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 4, 2010 4:52 AM

Prettymuch, although considering it was the hippies who first made the connection that if mistreating women was bad, then mistreating kids is worse, so in essence they are the spiritual forefathers of what I do, and while not exactly the sharpest pencils in the box, their hearts have always been in the right place.

It's just like with the AntiFederalists, who were, historically, correct in almost every respect, and yet they're the ones that our society gives short shrift ?

I swear, it's a lot like watching J. Jonah Jameson rip into Spiderman, right after Spiderman saves his ass, or the cities - you just wanna "choke a bitch", yanno ?

And putting a boot up Wulfies rear about it is a fairly guilt-free enterprise since I've *tried* to reason with his dumb ass, and it was all but pointless.

-F

PIRATENEWS

Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:
...probably on the payroll of Hussein Obama, since "she" didn't materialize until the Hussein Regime CHANGE.

I'd note for the record that YOU joined during the Bush years. What's that say about who YOUR sugardaddy is?

FF was born during the 2nd Bush Regime... Doh!

KWICKO

Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:
...probably on the payroll of Hussein Obama, since "she" didn't materialize until the Hussein Regime CHANGE.

I'd note for the record that YOU joined during the Bush years. What's that say about who YOUR sugardaddy is?

FF was born during the 2nd Bush Regime... Doh!

And, as usual, you're lying. Or, as Gino so eloquently put it:

Here's a post from May 23 of 2002. The fact that YOU didn't join until the 2nd Bush Regime really tells us all we need to know, doesn't it?

Or are you unwilling to be judged by the same standards you use to judge others?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=248

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

NIKI2

Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:12 PM

Really, Frem, I didn't know that. I know the concept of "it takes a village" was affirmed by the (good) communes, but I wasn't involved in that and the other "heads" I knew were in my college years. I was out of it by the mid-seventies, which I don't consider "hippie years" anyway. By then it was a dark movement; for me the sixties were the only real "Flower Child Years".

I spent a lot of time in SF during those years, and most of it in the Haight--which also became a lot darker into the 70s; more runaways, more drugs, the Doors had a large hand in darkening it, and I didn't hang around much by then. Given most of the people I actually stayed with up there were gay, I didn't get much chance to know how people were dealing with children, and my interaction with the communes I knew was only occasionally. I lived in "communal houses" during my years (young people sharing a large house), and socialized in others. Those changed population pretty frequently, none of which involved kids. It's nice to hear, tho'.

I find the same dichotomy you do (and idiocy), things like Reagan being put on a pedastal for his "wise" policies, which is such a joke it makes me spew every time I hear it. This goes back to the thread about why people vote against their own interests, to me, because we Americans do seem to have a love affair with our actors and charistmatic and/or-good looking politicians, not looking past the surface to see the actual QUALITY of the candidate. Sigh...

"Yes" to not the sharpest pencils in the box, but I put it down as much to youth, naivete and doing something brand new for the first time...mistakes are bound to happen, people end up doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, and the learning curve, etc. The people I knew were bright as a whip, but like here, they had all kinds of good ideas, some of which weren't workable in practice. We sure solved all the problems of the world in the middle of the night, tho'! They were the years of psychedellics, I knew few who did the hard stuff...after the seventies, more of that happened.

As to Wulf, I often thought when I read your defense of him and your efforts to get through that ; I am sad for you and him that it was fruitless...it would have been really great to have seen you succeed, even in a small way. Oh, well... But you certainly educate those of us who ARE listening!

No post showed up Mike--but I found what you said interesting.

KWICKO

Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:46 PM

Quote:

No post showed up Mike--but I found what you said interesting.

Dang it - that's a double-dumb-ass on me. All that work, and I forgot to drop the link in there... Fixed now, but here it is anyway.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=248

It's funny that in PN's world everyone's motives are suspect except his. Strikes me funny, it does.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

LITTLEBIRD

Thursday, February 4, 2010 8:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Really, Frem, I didn't know that. I know the concept of "it takes a village" was affirmed by the (good) communes, but I wasn't involved in that and the other "heads" I knew were in my college years. I was out of it by the mid-seventies, which I don't consider "hippie years" anyway. By then it was a dark movement; for me the sixties were the only real "Flower Child Years".

I spent a lot of time in SF during those years, and most of it in the Haight--which also became a lot darker into the 70s; more runaways, more drugs, the Doors had a large hand in darkening it, and I didn't hang around much by then. Given most of the people I actually stayed with up there were gay, I didn't get much chance to know how people were dealing with children, and my interaction with the communes I knew was only occasionally. I lived in "communal houses" during my years (young people sharing a large house), and socialized in others. Those changed population pretty frequently, none of which involved kids. It's nice to hear, tho'.

I find the same dichotomy you do (and idiocy), things like Reagan being put on a pedastal for his "wise" policies, which is such a joke it makes me spew every time I hear it. This goes back to the thread about why people vote against their own interests, to me, because we Americans do seem to have a love affair with our actors and charistmatic and/or-good looking politicians, not looking past the surface to see the actual QUALITY of the candidate. Sigh...

"Yes" to not the sharpest pencils in the box, but I put it down as much to youth, naivete and doing something brand new for the first time...mistakes are bound to happen, people end up doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, and the learning curve, etc. The people I knew were bright as a whip, but like here, they had all kinds of good ideas, some of which weren't workable in practice. We sure solved all the problems of the world in the middle of the night, tho'! They were the years of psychedellics, I knew few who did the hard stuff...after the seventies, more of that happened.

As to Wulf, I often thought when I read your defense of him and your efforts to get through that ; I am sad for you and him that it was fruitless...it would have been really great to have seen you succeed, even in a small way. Oh, well... But you certainly educate those of us who ARE listening!

No post showed up Mike--but I found what you said interesting.

You put that very well Niki. Once again I find myself in complete agreement with what you have posted here.

By the 70's I was starting to raise my family and most of my experimentation in certain area's was over, but in so many ways I still retain the 'mindset' of the 60's. And lets not forget the music. oh, the music!

In my family just standing up to the peace and love way of life, and trying to be treated as a human being was exhausting. They tried to destroy those tendencies in me, but never could. I tried to raise my own kids 180% different than how I was raised. If the Hippie movement was not backing me I probably could not have succeeded as well, so I get Frem's point on this one. The stupid MK stuff has caused, and still is causing some problems with my kids, but that is another topic. For the most part they are intelligent and loving individuals.

Thank's for your defense of Hippies Frem! You can ride shotgun in my magic van any ol' time you want. :)

NIKI2

Thursday, February 4, 2010 8:47 PM

Ahhhh, the music! Hubby Jim considers it stupid--he's ten years older--and won't listen to it and derides it, but I love it. My musical taste is eclectic to say the least, encompassing everything from classical to Andean to Indian to John Denver to Celtic to Enya to SOME country to Strunz & Farrah and on and on, but my biggest collection is '60s. Yes, in many ways it's simple, but in others it had something to say which was worth hearing. Besides, I still know all the words!

I call myself an "aging hippie" because, tho' I've learned a lot over the decades and changed some of my opinions, my original beliefs still hold pretty true for me. Luckily, tho' they were Republican, my parents didn't have much effect on me or really even try to, so I was left to form most of my own judgments. I've also never fit any "mold" in so many ways, that I don't identify with many around me...especially other women! So "aging hippie" works for me.

LITTLEBIRD

Friday, February 5, 2010 1:38 AM

Markets Fall Sharply Amid Fears on Debt and Jobs

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/business/05markets.html?partner=rss&
emc=rss

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 5, 2010 1:49 AM

LITTLEBIRD

Friday, February 5, 2010 1:56 AM

:)

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 5, 2010 2:51 AM

Actually, gotta roll with this one too, since recent conversations have put it in my mind, of late.

You gotta remember, about 25+ years ago, our "world" was a different place, the "movement" had been all but crushed, the warmongers of the fifties and sixties seemed to have won, and the era of crass consumerism heading right down the path to unsustainable debt was obvious to those who hadn't been conditioned from the cradle to accept it as the way things were.

Worse, and I might not have known the specifics, but I understood the concepts, Doc Spock had been vilified, rejected, in favor of the tremendously abusive and damaging Dobson-esque philosophy of "Black Pedagogy", which left unchecked could very well result in our own self-destruction as a society and people.

This whole understanding came at me in a very lucid kinda way over the course of a few days, and honestly made me wanna hide under the bed and scream, I was just a kid, and one nobody much liked besides - thanks in part to my mother encouraging a moral standard and philosophy that while my own, seemed to have no place in the world around me, where I was gonna be forever unwelcome if I stuck to it.

Gotta tellya, watching that tide actually turn, the "season" change to something more than vengeance, rage and hate, that's worth a hell of a lot, especially when there *IS* a generation behind it who owe a lot to the harsher folk like me who took that the flag of the hippies dream and carried it forward even in the darkest hours.

It's like watching Winter evolve into Spring.

-F

LITTLEBIRD

Friday, February 5, 2010 8:47 AM

Well, this has brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for keeping the dream alive Frem. I know it has taken a lot out of you in blood, sweat and tears over the years.

The people you have helped are out there right now spreading the message in their own unique way, and I, for one, will be forever grateful for the work you have done and are still doing.

Pictures the Flower of Peace being handed down through the generations.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 5, 2010 7:07 PM

Actually the image that comes to mind almost as much is one Dreamtrove posted, which I finally found the proper person to credit for.
http://dejichan.deviantart.com/art/090705-Mirror-128326974

Of course, intentions aside, I am gonna have much to answer for on my karma tab, since I've been willing more than once to plant that Flower of Peace on scorched earth if I had to.

Ironic that as of late I've been watching Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion - cause it's seriously freakin me out just how close in nature "Lulu" is, and *I* consider him a friggin monster.

I think you'd find it pretty interesting though, Bandai has made most of the R1 first season available on Youtube, and I'll link the first one here, but edited so it doesn't screen stretch.

youtube.com/ watch?v=fCoEQXY5hM8

Thing to always remember about the kind of mind-bending that's been used on people by the powers that be, is that any sword has TWO edges, and can be pushed back against it's user with disastrous effect by someone who knows what they're doing.

Just stuff to think about, but the series itself is pretty entertaining as well.

-F

LITTLEBIRD

Friday, February 5, 2010 8:30 PM

-F

I just edited most of this post entirely away. oh well. There are days when the don't tell programming just gets out of control. sorry.

Thank you for the video. I have watched them. A glimpse into your world. scary.

But I think you have proved that the human heart can triumph over evil.

Peace ...

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:18 AM

Detroit Today: Democrats, Republicans clash over debt ceiling concerns

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