Firefly Timeline
POSTED BY: Almanac
UPDATED: Sunday, April 16, 2017 22:12
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The nested-quote system no longer seems to be working for me properly, so I'm going to simplify the dialogue thus far...
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jewelstaitefan: Serenity bluray has an Alliance database.
Almanac: I'd seen that advertised, but wasn't quite sure what it would entail...
jewelstaitefan: List Mal's dob as 20 Sep 2468 (apparently a joke regarding soembody in the props dept born 20 Sep 1968)
Almanac: Does it say that in the database itself?
jewelstaitefan: it said the dob, the joke info was what I'd read elsewhere, numerous sources.
Got it...I would've been very surprised if such a database on an official product contained that kind of fan lore.
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jewelstaitefan: - is Mal really 49 in the show?
Almanac: I don't think so...but then, the movie shows that as the age for "Malcom" Reynolds, whoever he is.
jewelstaitefan: I would tend to discount Mal being 49. If Nathan, a few years younger than Gina, is playing 49, then Book must be about 100 played by Ron. (120 years is median life expectancy in Joss' verse).
I agree with that...and yet, you'd be surprised at how many people are willing to go along with the idea of a fifty-year-old Mal.
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jewelstaitefan: Kaylee 2 Jul 2497 location Kowlonshi,
Almanac: Matches my timeline again.
"Kowlonshi" is new to me.
jewelstaitefan: Maybe Kowlonshi and Kowlon Fed Base are different ways of saying the same place.
Almanac: Where is "Kowlon Fed Base" from...?
jewelstaitefan: I thought Kowlon Fed Base was where, in Safe, they were to drop off Badger's money from the cattle proceeds - from Jiangyin. Do I recall wrong?
I'd have to double-check the episode again, but I think this is another tidbit that was only in the script for "Safe." (Oops...looking over the thread, I see you already checked for this.)
My original comment was more about it being offered as Kaylee's birthplace, which is completely news to me.
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Almanac: Unfortunately, I don't currently own a Blu-Ray player.
However, if someone with Blu-Ray access who was reading this thread happened to take screencaps of the Alliance Database and emailed them to me for reference purposes (at the email address listed on the Firefly Timeline), I'd be forever grateful...
jewelstaitefan: I did not have a bluray player, until a few hours after I bought bluray Serenity and then bluray Firefly.
Fair enough...
My invitation was directed at anyone out there who might be willing to make such screencaps for me.
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Been a long time since I snappy'd. Not sure if I have any screencap stuff on my current units. Maybe somebody else can help.
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This month marks the sixth anniversary of the Firefly Timeline. 
Unfortunately, there haven't been any new stories set in the 'verse since my last significant update, so the tweaking has continued while we all wait for those promised comics to be completed and released...
I'll keep bumping up this thread whenever an update or expansion takes place, of course, but you can also follow all of my timeline-related efforts on Twitter:
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Lest anyone think otherwise, I can assure you that I'll be adding all of the (presumably equally canonical) short stories from the recently-announced licenced Firefly anthology once it's released.
I'm looking forward to seeing what new details about the 'verse and its history will be offered...
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This is just a quick note to let everyone know that, even though Still Flying (with its four new short stories) and the comic book story "Float Out" have both been released as of this week, there will probably be a delay in adding them to the Firefly Timeline as I am currently concentrating on adding material to my Sex and the City Timeline:
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The series is older, but that timeline is much newer, so I'll be expanding that before circling back to the 'verse...
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I read the 4 new stories in Still Flying.
No mention of named planets or systems, or timeframes.
Dick & Jayne is from Jayne's youth.
The rest occur when Wash is alive, and seems Inara is aboard in each.
Does not seem to have any effect on the timeline.
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Since my last post, I have bought (and read) "Float Out," but not Still Flying, and I have yet to update the Firefly Timeline with information on either...
Before any update(s), though, I thought I should ask:
Would all of you reading this prefer that I add the information from "Float Out" first, right away, or wait until I also have the four short stories from Still Flying--or perhaps even until after The Shepherd's Tale has come out--before giving the timeline a much more thorough expansion?
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Quote:Wait until after The Shepherd's Tale comes out. For estimating the date of Float Out, . . .
Originally posted by Almanac:
Would all of you reading this prefer that I add the information from "Float Out" first, right away, or wait until I also have the four short stories from Still Flying--or perhaps even until after The Shepherd's Tale has come out--before giving the timeline a much more thorough expansion?
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. . . Baby girl Wash's birth does NOT need be less than 280 days from Daddy Wash's death.
And because nobody from Serenity showed at the christening of Jetwash, I'm thinking years and years could have passed. The woman looks ancient compared to Zoe in Serenity: Better Days. That might not only be different artist's style; it might be deliberate.
Remember, it is science fiction. Unlike today, in the distant future it is impossible to know how many months after Wash's death his child was conceived. Sperm banks exist for people working in a high radiation environments like Space Pilots. (Please don't believe a load of magic BS that space piloting is hypothetically safe because of scientific progress. The radiation exposure time for Wash could be 100,000 hours.) If Wash wanted healthy children, he had the good sense to put them in the freezer. Zoe is living in the same nasty environment as Wash. She might also have taken precautions with her eggs, not wanting to keep all her eggs in one basket, so to speak.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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For estimating the date of Float Out, . . .Select to view spoiler:
. . . Baby girl Wash's birth does NOT need be less than 280 days from Daddy Wash's death.
And because nobody from Serenity showed at the christening of Jetwash, I'm thinking years and years could have passed. The woman looks ancient compared to Zoe in Serenity: Better Days. That might not only be different artist's style; it might be deliberate.
Remember, it is science fiction. Unlike today, in the distant future it is impossible to know how many months after Wash's death his child was conceived. Sperm banks exist for people working in a high radiation environments like Space Pilots. (Please don't believe a load of magic BS that space piloting is hypothetically safe because of scientific progress. The radiation exposure time for Wash could be 100,000 hours.) If Wash wanted healthy children, he had the good sense to put them in the freezer. Zoe is living in the same nasty environment as Wash. She might also have taken precautions with her eggs, not wanting to keep all her eggs in one basket, so to speak.
I hear what you're saying, but that's sort of similar to people who say, "You shouldn't assume they still use the same calendar we do." At some point, you have to apply Occam's Razor to that kind of situation--in the absence of evidence that they're doing something in a science-fictiony manner, it's just easier to assume it works the same way it would in the present day.
More generally speaking, I still haven't given the Firefly Timeline a thorough expansion, but I have since picked up and read The Shepherd's Tale...which didn't exactly take a long time to get through, for those of you who've also read it.
Although I look forward to updating the timeline to include the information from that graphic novel, there are a number of problems with indications of the passage of time in it which don't work with the other data we already have canonically--not the least of which is the implication that over two years pass between "Jaynestown" and the feature film Serenity.
If people have any thoughts on it before I draw my own conclusions, feel free to offer your input here.
Anyone else should watch out for the spoilers that entails...Edgar Governo
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There were some original sources that gave two to eight months for the movie Serenity, seeing as it was meant to be the end of season one or two of Firefly.
I assume that they decided to increase the time frame because they have plans to write more comics with Wash and Book in them before the movie. Not necessarily a bad thing for us.
Course, I can't give you hard data on that. I'm not sure anyone can except Joss or Zack.
I can understand not wanting to commit to a new timeline when it contradicts the old one. But I figure if you take Shepherd's Tale for canon, that's probably the best write down we're going to get for a broad scale timeline.
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