Supreme Court ruling on money and free speech
POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 25, 2026 22:50
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Or, if you read the original "1984" that it was lifted from, they weren't taken down at all. They won."
Thats why its called fiction.
NOT saying we dont have a long, tough fight ahead of us.
So did you think "V for Vendetta" was a freaking documentary? It's fiction, too, you dolt!
You're not really telling me that all those ridiculous vid-clips you're constantly posting are things you consider NON-fiction, are you?
:facepalm:
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Busboy, or the gender-neutral term busser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busboy
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(Look at Hugo Chavez as a classic example of how good intentions can go so very, very badly when the madness of power begins chewing on a persons psyche)
And beyond that, remember that whether he believes it or not, Chavez is indeed mortal, and one day will be out of office, be it from old age or death. And then there's going to be somebody AFTER him. Even if you consider Chavez a "benevolent dictator", how do you ensure that the next guy will be benevolent as well?
And THAT is why you don't hand them that much power, ANY of them. Because one day, they have to hand it back, or hand to off. And do you really trust them to hand it back?
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Mike,Quote:
Do you seriously think we're the first to come up with all this stuff? "Knowing" and "doing" are two very different things.
If we're lucky, the thread will one day serve as an archive, a how-to for dealing with entrenched incumbents who are more worried about monied interests than they are about the interests of the people they were allegedly elected to represent.
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My point about voting for Brown. And
BTW, may I point out that this travesty was approved by REPUBLICAN-appointed judges???? Anyone who thinks that voting Republican is some kind of protest vote also prolly thinks that shooting yourself in the foot is good aim!Quote:
Dead on the money (no pun intended).
Corporations, OTOH, have ONE and ONLY one motive: the highest amount of profit possible. Pay the least possible, and charge what the market will bear. Develop a monopoly. Sink the workers. It doesn't matter to them if it means shipping off American jobs to Chinese prison labor, or creating inscrutable pyramid schemes with funny-money, or dumping toxic waste in your water table, or ravaging the entire planet. They're answerable to nobody except (maybe) their shareholders, whose interests are the same as theirs: greater profitability, higher dividends, higher stock prices.Quote:
You're allowed to dream. Takes money to win an election, the way things are now (and going more that way every day); many have come to office who want to do good, then need for re-election means compromise, and so it goes. Hasn't changed in decades, only gotten worse. Whatever we few think, it's a long, hard road to change the system, and I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
it seems to me if we can sift through thousands of people to come up with one winner on American Idol, we can sift through thousands of candidates to come up with the top twenty or so who will actually run on competing platforms.Quote:
Bingo Rue; but we already KNOW what the corrupting influences are, and nobody's thus far changed 'em.
I think if you don't figure out what the corrupting influence is and remove it, you will get the same result.Quote:
Uh, again Wulf...if you meant V, he was another of your FICTIONAL heroes, y'know? Ooops, I see Mike covered that down the line...
and what took THAT down, was a singular person... bent on freeing the peopleQuote:
I would say "we can't change the system until we learn how to MOTIVATE the people", myself.
We can't change the system until we learn how to use it against itself.Quote:
Boy, you nailed it Rue, especially on Prop. 13. And, think a minute; isn't that exactly the way it works nationally? Put "candidate" in place of "proposition" and...?
BTW, that's the major problem with the proposition system in California. You'd THINK it would be a way to get direct democracy. But what happens is a wealthy individual, group of individuals, corporation, or group of corporations create a fictitious group, then fund the group and all its petition signing efforts. The more people you have out there flogging the petitions, the more chance they have of getting on the ballot. And THEN they spend money to sell it to 'the people' who often don't even read the ballots, but instead vote with their gut. Many, many bad laws have gotten on the books that way, for example Prop 13, the single biggest factor in bankrupting California (and tranferring billions from homeowners to large landholding corporate interests, like railways and ulilities.)
Personally, I don't see anything changing; major change takes convincing so many people, and kicking the apathetic in the ass, and fighting big business and moneyed interests, and getting an elected politician to stay true to representing the people, and dismantling the big machines of both parties...it's too much, and there are too few willing to do it.
And no, guessing ahead, Wulf, maybe it was done fictionally but we're talking about REAL people, REAL politicians, REAL big Business, and there are no "heroes".
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Posted by Niki:
Do you seriously think we're the first to come up with all this stuff? "Knowing" and "doing" are two very different things.
Well... No. But we might be the first people HERE to come up with all this and put it in one handy place. But if you're against doing that, we can leave it to everyone else to figure out on their own. That's certainly gotten us this far, after all...
Heck, I s'pose PN might as well just take over and clutter up every post, since there are no original ideas anymore!
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by rue:
I'm sorry. All I can think of is that joke - an honest politician is one who, when they're bought, STAYS bought !
*laughs*
I guess that makes me pretty honest, they "bought" me by enough of em pushing me into it to convince me they really meant it...
And they wanted me to do X,Y,Z things...
Or at least they thought they did, enough to say so loudly and repeatedly.
And so, when installed, I went and DID X,Y,Z things, despite much wailing, gnashing of teeth, and general cussing and spitting from many of the very folk who put me to doin it in the first bloody place.
And then got the hell outta dodge.
Do yourselves a favor, think it all the way through before you set a political act in motion, and make damned SURE you fully comprehend the side effects and consequences of what you're asking first.
-Frem
There always has to be a price.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Do you seriously think we're the first to come up with all this stuff? "Knowing" and "doing" are two very different things.
Truer words were never spoken...
Call your Congress Person, volunteer, keep posting, talk to a friend, better still talk to a complete stranger. On a train, on the corner, in line at Wendy's, just start up a conversation, "Crazy what's going on with Health Care, innit?" You would be amazed what you find out. Every contact is another ripple.
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Sig, I really do think so too. This is a great idea.
Remember when John Stewart joined the Daily Show? Fake news, entertainment. Now, heck, even though it's very liberal, sometimes I think the news they show is more real than the ACTUAL news, and they're an actual platform for important people to speak.
Truth in humour.
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Does any one else here see the correlation of this ruling to Buy-N-Large from Wall-E?
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