Japanese Whalers.....
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UPDATED: Friday, June 12, 2026 18:00
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Chris,IsAll
Why would you possibly believe your lying eyes over the word of our 'Hero' ?
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Quote:You stupid piece of deluded go-se, it DOES!
Originally posted by Hero:
The video does not reflect that.
Quote:No, I am a visual expert, I allowed for that, numbnuts.
I think your confusing the turn of the camera as it pans to follow the boat with the turning of the ship.
Quote:It wasn't visible to observe, you idjit.
If the ship turned, it would be reflected in it wake.
Quote:I described no "nimbleness," you fool!! It was an easy turn, as easy as it would be to turn the other direction.
Also the ship cannot veer so nimbly as you describe.
Quote:OBVIOUSLY, stupid. They were jerks, the Japs were jerks AND attempted murders.
You admit it yourself, the boat was drifting foreward, toward the oncoming ship. Likely they were hoping for another close pass, and likely misjudged their approach resulting.
You suck, ya know? NEVER admit error. Never.
Dickwad.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:Ahhh, I'm tired of his perfection (in his own eyes). You can have him Rue.
Originally posted by rue:
Chris,IsAll
Why would you possibly believe your lying eyes over the word of our 'Hero' ?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You suck, ya know? NEVER admit error. Never.
Dickwad.
Why take it all so personal? People can agree to disagree without resorting to namecalling.
In court I'd be content to make my best argument to the Jury and be satisfied with leaving the decision to them.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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I just went back and watched the videos over and over--each from a different perspective. I noted that there was virtually no wake from the Adi Gil, and that the Japanes whaler turned INTO the path of the Adi Gil, then veered AWAY right after hitting them.
It also seems to me that the water cannons were not moved as suggested, but were stationary as the Adi Gil went past them. They hit the trimaran as they approached and as they passed after hitting it, but I didn't see any deliberate "aiming".
I'm ignoring all the various "legal" arguments, I just wanted to be sure I'd seen what I had and my eyes weren't deceiving me. I realize this won't change anyone's mind, certainly not those who are convinced otherwise, I just wanted to be sure what I saw was what I initially interpreted. I feel it was, and that the whalers are getting deliberately more reckless and violent.
I think arguing legalities is fruitless...the whalers are hunting "legally" only because there's a convenient loophole for them to claim they're taking whales for "research", which they're not, and because the IWC has no teeth. The Sea Shepherd Society is behaving recklessly in harrassing the whalers, but there have always been protesters agains wrongs, and I'm on their side. NOT for the violence they may have perpetrated in the past or in the future, but because simply what the whalers are doing is WRONG, and there is no other method available to try and stop them.
Someone asked what they do with the whales by way of research. Here's a comprehensive answer, as far as I'm concerned. It's written with regard to Iceland's continued whaling (whales which they then sell to the Japanes), but covers the whole thing fairly well:Quote:
The Japanese invented the concept of 'scientific' whaling in 1987 as a way round the moratorium on commercial whaling instituted by the the International Whaling Commission (IWC). Their research is not really research. It is an excuse for supplying whale meat on the Japanese market, though that market is dying.
The science they perform consists of DNA sampling, physical measurements such as earbone size, age ID, and most importantly, the contents in the digestive tract.
The data on what the whales eat is then perverted to help their propaganda campaign, which argues that whales eat too much commercially important fish, and that we should cull the population to save our fisheries. They selectively release data on certain species, while ignoring data on others, especially baleen species.
Iceland is just following Japan's example of taking advantage of IWC loopholes, as an excuse to resume commercial hunts.
Australia and many other countries use non-lethal data collection techniques, such as "knicking" the skin of a whale for biopsy samples to determine DNA and toxin levels. Analysis of faeces is the most accurate way of determining the animals' diet.
Also, tagging whales with data sensors and tracking their movements tell us much more about their behavior and life patterns than any forensic data could provide.
Killing 38 Minke whales this year is the thin edge of the wedge. Iceland intends to catch 500 whales over the next two years (200 Minke whales, 200 Fin whales and 100 Sei whales).Clearly there can be no 'scientific' justification for this level of whaling - the Government of Iceland is once again trying to resume commercial whaling via the back door, with an eye on the lucrative Japanese export market.
Don't be fooled by the terminology. It is not research, it is commercial whaling. Nobody needs 500 whales, most from the same species (minke), and from the same feeding ground, to "research" anything of importance.
IWC rejects Iceland's scientific programme
In a strongly worded resolution at this year's IWC, the Commission fired a shot across the bows of Iceland's whaling industry which plans to commence a scientific hunt for export to Japan possibly as early as this summer.
During the debate, members of the Commission restated the concerns
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" there is no other method available to try and stop them "
I think is the key,
Hard to make arguments about legality, when nobody is willing to step in and enforce said laws.
Until the Sea Shepard's put a black market TOW missile into one of the whalers no body ( government body ) will take them seriously
and then Japan would likely send a frigate out with the whalers
Mind you, sending the warship might make whaling too expensive and solve the problem too
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists 
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Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" there is no other method available to try and stop them "
I think is the key,
Hard to make arguments about legality, when nobody is willing to step in and enforce said laws.
Until the Sea Shepard's put a black market TOW missile into one of the whalers no body ( government body ) will take them seriously
and then Japan would likely send a frigate out with the whalers
Mind you, sending the warship might make whaling too expensive and solve the problem too
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
Yes, the fact that nobody seems much interested in enforcing the existing laws IS the key. And while there's strong support for even stronger laws and agreements, once again (as you've pointed out), without enforcement, what's the point? What good will they do?
And Niki,
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I think arguing legalities is fruitless...the whalers are hunting "legally" only because there's a convenient loophole for them to claim they're taking whales for "research", which they're not, and because the IWC has no teeth. The Sea Shepherd Society is behaving recklessly in harrassing the whalers, but there have always been protesters agains wrongs, and I'm on their side. NOT for the violence they may have perpetrated in the past or in the future, but because simply what the whalers are doing is WRONG, and there is no other method available to try and stop them.
I agree completely, but that's not to say I *agree* with the Sea Shepherds or their methods. I *understand* where they're coming from, but I disagree with how they're trying to get there. And I feel your frustration, and share it.
But the thing is, I'm pro-choice, and I know you're pro-choice, but the exact same argument you just made in support of the Sea Shepherds can be used by the anti-choice crowd: while they don't exactly *support* Scott Roeder's murdering of George Tiller, they feel that what he and other abortion providers are doing is WRONG, even though it remains LEGAL (through a mere loophole, in their view), and they feel that murder is the only form of protest left to them, and the only means by which to stop what they feel is behavior that is utterly wrong.
In other words, we all have to ask ourselves if the ends justify the means.
Mike
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Quote:I don't disagree, buttwipe.
Originally posted by Hero:
Why take it all so personal? People can agree to disagree without resorting to namecalling.
Quote:After twisting/altering/disregarding the facts.
In court I'd be content to make my best argument to the Jury and be satisfied with leaving the decision to them.
Douche.
The fed-up-with-blind-a-holes Chrisisall
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Quote:How about if we just harass whalers that kill PREGNANT whales? That satisfy both sides?
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, we all have to ask ourselves if the ends justify the means.
The snark-filled Chrisisall
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How about if we just harass whalers that kill PREGNANT whales? That satisfy both sides?
Part of me likes to think there's a very special place in a very special hell reserved just for them. And people who talk in the theatre.
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