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US denies jet flew over Venezuela

POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Thursday, January 14, 2010 00:03
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KWICKO

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

One can only assume that you are lumping the U.S. into that category as well. I mean, since we already blew BILLIONS on a piece of complete and utter crap (the F-22 Raptor) that can't even get wet.

That's kind of my point, the F-22 is three generations ahead of any other non-US jet in the world. Which means the bulk of our aircraft are two generations ahead. It's poinless to buy airplanes to defend youself against the US unless you can get something in the same generation. Even that would'nt help, because we could mount our missile syatems on a WWII Byplane and still have air superiority.

You're buying into the U.S. propaganda again, Kirk.

1) The F-22 is dead. Also, it takes about 40 hours downtime and maintenance for every hour flying - and that's if you DON'T fly it in the rain, where it has a nasty tendency to just flap itself apart.

2) It was never "three generations ahead" of anything except the Korean War-era MiG 15s and North American F-86s it flew with in airshow demonstrations. At best, it's a half step ahead of the Russian Su-47 Berkut, if that.

3) "Air superiority" doesn't mean dick in places like Afghanistan. Places like Afghanistan, Waziristan, and Fallujah, Iraq, you're trying to tout air superiority against an opponent who is just as happy to fight you with rocks and AK-47s. We tend to still imagine we're fighting the Vietnam War, where all the air superiority in the world didn't do a hell of a lot for us, either.

As for mounting your beloved missile systems on a biplane, try it and see how that works out for you.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

GEEZER

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I note for the record that you ONLY suggested that AFTER a military coup put a U.S.-backed government into power.

You mean the government that the U.S. cut off aid to and enforced economic sanctions against after their Supreme Court ordered Zelaya removed for violating their Constitution? That U.S.-backed government? Sorry, Mike, but you're way off base with that one.

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I also note that you'd NEVER suggest leaving Venezuela alone and letting them work it out without sanctions or pressure from the outside.

But in an earlier post in this thread, I did, stating that Venezuela's problems are theirs, not mine. If I want to comment on their problems while hoping the people there will work them out themselves, so what?

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Oh, by the way, you WEREN'T discussing possible reasons for U.S. flyovers of Venezuela

That's right. I can see none, and no one has provided any reasonable ones. I was discussing possible reasons that Chavez might claim there were U.S. flyovers, including distraction from his latest rip-off of the Venezuelan people.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:04 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

That's right. I can see none

Then you mus see this:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41456

The laughing Chrisisall

GEEZER

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:04 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Can I answer for Geezer?
Can I?
Can I please?
Huh? Huh? Huh?

Then I can put words in HIS mouth for a change!

Nothing has ever stopped you before. Why ask now?

Got anything germane to the 'Chavez claims US jets fly over Venezuela' thread, or are you just trolling again?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

GEEZER

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:05 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
We can ALL do it AND go around with bumper stickers "WWGS ?"

Hi, Rue.

See my response to Signym, please.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

JKIDDO

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:06 AM

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That's right. I can see none, and no one has provided any reasonable ones.

You're effing shitting us, right?

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Since the advent of radar and guided missiles, it is a not uncommon practice for SIGINT gathering aircraft to skirt another countrys airspace in a attempt to provoke the target into activating its military tracking and targeting radars. When the aircraft is targeted (but not fired upon, obivously) information can be gathered about the type, number and location of the enemy's air defenses. Handy info to have when the sabres start rattling.

GEEZER

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:10 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I guess the only thing for Chavez to do, is ask Putin to base some Bears and do ferret flights along the Southern US border...

One would hope if that happened that the Bears would be flown by the old Soviet guys who had plenty of practice flying formation with F-14s when they got near U.S. carrier groups. Of course now it'd probably be FA-18s.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:25 AM

Naw, all the F-18s are busy turning mud huts into rubble and scaring fishermen

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

GEEZER

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:25 AM

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Originally posted by JKiddo:
You're effing shitting us, right?

Well, as you noted above, planes don't have to violate borders to gather SIGINT on military radars. Besides, look at a map of the Venezuelan coast. Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are 20 to 40 miles away. Pretty much anything taking off to the south from those islands is gonna be in radar coverage from Venezuela; commercial airliners, weather planes, U.S. and Dutch military planes on joint exercises. Why overfly the country when you can gather the same info while in international airspace?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:37 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Why overfly the country when you can gather the same info while in international airspace?

"The same info?" Ha ha, that's funny Geeze.

The laughing Chrisisall