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US denies jet flew over Venezuela

POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Thursday, January 14, 2010 00:03
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KWICKO

Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 PM

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However, I did offer a solution for Honduras. Leave them alone and let them work it out, without sanctions or pressure from the outside.

I note for the record that you ONLY suggested that AFTER a military coup put a U.S.-backed government into power.

I also note that you'd NEVER suggest leaving Venezuela alone and letting them work it out without sanctions or pressure from the outside.

Why is that, Geezer?

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Don't see any requirement to offer solutions on every problem in the world. Sometimes I just note them.

But you certainly seem to feel the requirement to bitch about it when someone else (Rue, Signy, me) notes problems in the world, and you whinge on for days about how we're not offering solutions, just bitching.

Curious that you don't mind the exact same behavior when YOU do it, and can't see the problem with it. ;)

Oh, by the way, you WEREN'T discussing possible reasons for U.S. flyovers of Venezuela (the topic of this thread) - you dismissed those allegations out of hand and quickly tried to change the subject to that bad ol' evil Hugo Chavez and how he's screwing with the economy down there, taking us far, far away from the REAL topic of this thread.

So what is the value of a tulip bulb these days, since you have no interest in actually discussing the REAL topic of this thread, and you have nothing of relevance to offer other than tulip twattle.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:37 PM

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I also note that you'd NEVER suggest leaving Venezuela alone and letting them work it out without sanctions or pressure from the outside. Why is that, Geezer?

*Raises hand and waves it wildly*

Can I answer for Geezer?
Can I?
Can I please?
Huh? Huh? Huh?

Then I can put words in HIS mouth for a change!

RUE

Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 PM

We can ALL do it AND go around with bumper stickers "WWGS ?"

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Silence is consent.

KIRKULES

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I know where he can get a HELL of a deal on some nice Sukhoi Su-27s. Only about $5 million each, ready to go. :)

I think it's funny when countries buy obsolete jet fighters because they claim they are threated by the US. They could spend their entire military budget on jets and if the US needed to, we could destroy them all on the ground before they ever got one in the air. Even if they did get in the air they would'nt fare any better. The only reason these big mouth dictators by jets is to threaten their own neighbors, or more often just to impress them. If they really feared the US, they would spend all of their money on defensive missile systems instead of worthless junk.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I know where he can get a HELL of a deal on some nice Sukhoi Su-27s. Only about $5 million each, ready to go. :)

I think it's funny when countries buy obsolete jet fighters because they claim they are threated by the US. They could spend their entire military budget on jets and if the US needed to, we could destroy them all on the ground before they ever got one in the air. Even if they did get in the air they would'nt fare any better. The only reason these big mouth dictators by jets is to threaten their own neighbors, or more often just to impress them. If they really feared the US, they would spend all of their money on defensive missile systems instead of worthless junk.

Nukes... the only way to go.

then you just need a couple guys and a sailboat to the US. Port of Baltimore or New York perhaps

that'll teach the fuckers to stay home and mind their own business

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

KWICKO

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I know where he can get a HELL of a deal on some nice Sukhoi Su-27s. Only about $5 million each, ready to go. :)

I think it's funny when countries buy obsolete jet fighters because they claim they are threated by the US. They could spend their entire military budget on jets and if the US needed to, we could destroy them all on the ground before they ever got one in the air. Even if they did get in the air they would'nt fare any better. The only reason these big mouth dictators by jets is to threaten their own neighbors, or more often just to impress them. If they really feared the US, they would spend all of their money on defensive missile systems instead of worthless junk.

One can only assume that you are lumping the U.S. into that category as well. I mean, since we already blew BILLIONS on a piece of complete and utter crap (the F-22 Raptor) that can't even get wet.

Oh, and we've spent MORE countless billions on defensive missile systems, too.

So who is it that WE fear so much, eh? I mean, if everyone else is supposed to fear OUR vaunted, undaunted superior air power, why is it that we're putting so much money into defensive missile systems?

And when you refer to all these "big mouth dictators" who are buying jets to threaten their neighbors, I have to ask: Which neighbors are WE trying to threaten, then? And which American big-mouth dictator were you referring to?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

KIRKULES

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:00 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Nukes... the only way to go.

then you just need a couple guys and a sailboat to the US. Port of Baltimore or New York perhaps

that'll teach the fuckers to stay home and mind their own business

Nukes might be good as a deterant, but once someone uses the first one, a like kind respone in inevitable. That's the problem for countries that would use nukes on the US through terrorists, you never know who we'll end up responing against.

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:06 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

Nukes... the only way to go.

then you just need a couple guys and a sailboat to the US. Port of Baltimore or New York perhaps

that'll teach the fuckers to stay home and mind their own business

Nukes might be good as a deterant, but once someone uses the first one, a like kind respone in inevitable. That's the problem for countries that would use nukes on the US through terrorists, you never know who we'll end up responing against.

Yes hard to tell when the US might invade someone who had nothing to do with it at all

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

GINOBIFFARONI

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:10 AM

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Originally posted by AG05:
If that countrys airspace is violated, then yes technically the plane could be shot down. But few ever are. The real trick is to fly just outside the enemys airspace, but close enough in that his AA radar can pick you up. No one ever said it wasn't risky.

Countries commit "Acts of War" all the time. If the troops got called up every time somebody pulls stunts like this, there would be a near constant state of warfare.

You also have to consider that what the target country considers its airspace can be quite a bit different than what the international community recognizes.

Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.

I guess the only thing for Chavez to do, is ask Putin to base some Bears and do ferret flights along the Southern US border...

Naw, that would just justify somebodys budget

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

KIRKULES

Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:12 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

One can only assume that you are lumping the U.S. into that category as well. I mean, since we already blew BILLIONS on a piece of complete and utter crap (the F-22 Raptor) that can't even get wet.

That's kind of my point, the F-22 is three generations ahead of any other non-US jet in the world. Which means the bulk of our aircraft are two generations ahead. It's poinless to buy airplanes to defend youself against the US unless you can get something in the same generation. Even that would'nt help, because we could mount our missile syatems on a WWII Byplane and still have air superiority.