US denies jet flew over Venezuela
POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Thursday, January 14, 2010 00:03
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
It could go either way, boosting corruption as well as saving jobs by boosting exports and assisting the lower class folk who are not in the market for high price imports...
Lower class people might like to have a radio or an icebox. Maybe a TV. The chance of getting those items, and many more, just got a lot slimmer. Even if industries to manufacture them eventually start up, I doubt that economies of scale will allow businesses which have a relatively small market in a not so well off country to bring the prices down to anything near pre-devaluation prices.
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I can only point out in that same cite Britain did the same in 1967, and again in 1992 to mixed results.
The pound was devalued by 14.3% in 1976 and floated in 1992. Hardly a de facto 50% decrease in value overnight.
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Re: Possible skirting or violation of airspace
Since the advent of radar and guided missiles, it is a not uncommon practice for SIGINT gathering aircraft to skirt another countrys airspace in a attempt to provoke the target into activating its military tracking and targeting radars. When the aircraft is targeted (but not fired upon, obivously) information can be gathered about the type, number and location of the enemy's air defenses. Handy info to have when the sabres start rattling.
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Posted by Geezer:
I agree. What the U.S. did or didn't do relating to American businesses isn't germane to what Venezuela's government does to business in Venezuela at all.
Why does it not surprise me at all that you wouldn't want to hold the U.S. to any of the standards you want to hold other nations to?
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Originally posted by AG05:
Re: Possible skirting or violation of airspace
Since the advent of radar and guided missiles, it is a not uncommon practice for SIGINT gathering aircraft to skirt another countrys airspace in a attempt to provoke the target into activating its military tracking and targeting radars. When the aircraft is targeted (but not fired upon, obivously) information can be gathered about the type, number and location of the enemy's air defenses. Handy info to have when the sabres start rattling.
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Well, I'm alright.
So that answers the question of WHY the U.S. might do such a thing...
Mike
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Right. I thought that question (why would the US want to overfly Venezuela) came up earlier in the conversation.
Whether or not Venezualan airspace was actually violated, no idea.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why does it not surprise me at all that you wouldn't want to hold the U.S. to any of the standards you want to hold other nations to?
And where did I say that? I just said it isn't germane to the current discussion of Venezuelan economic policy, specifically the dual-tier devaluation of the Bolivar and Chavez's reaction. We could throw the latest FIA rule changes for Formula 1 or the Dutch Tulip Bubbles of the 1600s into the discussion, and they'd be about as related to the issue at hand.
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Originally posted by AG05:
Re: Possible skirting or violation of airspace
Since the advent of radar and guided missiles, it is a not uncommon practice for SIGINT gathering aircraft to skirt another countrys airspace in a attempt to provoke the target into activating its military tracking and targeting radars. When the aircraft is targeted (but not fired upon, obivously) information can be gathered about the type, number and location of the enemy's air defenses. Handy info to have when the sabres start rattling.
Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.
As I have read, the defending country has the right under international law to shoot down aircraft doing this...
Wouldn't that make it an act of war?
and the US would be the aggressor...
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If that countrys airspace is violated, then yes technically the plane could be shot down. But few ever are. The real trick is to fly just outside the enemys airspace, but close enough in that his AA radar can pick you up. No one ever said it wasn't risky.
Countries commit "Acts of War" all the time. If the troops got called up every time somebody pulls stunts like this, there would be a near constant state of warfare.
You also have to consider that what the target country considers its airspace can be quite a bit different than what the international community recognizes.
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why does it not surprise me at all that you wouldn't want to hold the U.S. to any of the standards you want to hold other nations to?
And where did I say that? I just said it isn't germane to the current discussion of Venezuelan economic policy, specifically the dual-tier devaluation of the Bolivar and Chavez's reaction. We could throw the latest FIA rule changes for Formula 1 or the Dutch Tulip Bubbles of the 1600s into the discussion, and they'd be about as related to the issue at hand.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
So you're saying you consider the FIA F1 rule changes or the 1600s tulip bubble to be relevant to a discussion of how America and Venezuela act in similar economic fashions?
No wonder you don't get it.
By the way, all I ever see you do when it comes to Venezuela or Honduras is piss and moan, bitch and whine; I've never seen you offer anything by way of any kind of SOLUTION, just more whinging about how it ain't fair how they're acting.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're saying you consider the FIA F1 rule changes or the 1600s tulip bubble to be relevant to a discussion of how America and Venezuela act in similar economic fashions?
If that had been the discussion, then maybe. As I was discussing Chavez's possible reasons for claiming American flyovers - the topic of this thread - It really has pretty much the same relevance as limiting downforce or how much a tulip bulb is really worth.
You're the one who has to unendingly try and inject something about what some American government may have done or not done sometime in history into most every thread about almost anything going on in any country in the world, no matter how tangentially (if at all) related.
Why is that, Mike?
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By the way, ... when it comes to Venezuela or Honduras ... I've never seen you offer anything by way of any kind of SOLUTION
Don't see any requirement to offer solutions on every problem in the world. Sometimes I just note them. Venezuela's problems are theirs, not mine.
However, I did offer a solution for Honduras. Leave them alone and let them work it out, without sanctions or pressure from the outside.
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