Japanese Whalers.....
POSTED BY: Calhoun
UPDATED: Friday, June 12, 2026 18:00
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Originally posted by Hero:
Japanese Whalers are acting legally unless and until they are convicted in Court.
WHAT?!!! Good god you are a hypocrite. Damn, I thought that even you had some rational ethics in your background, but you have proven me wrong. Anything that backs up your prejudices appears to be OK, including hosing down a disabled ship after it had been rammed. Do you have any sense of decency at all? You have apparently no honor whatsoever. Heaven save us from prosecutors who think they should rule the world....
perfessergee
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thank you, Perfesser, for putting that so succinctly. While I may disagree with the ACTIONS of the protesters, I fully agree with their goal. We share the same destination; we differ on which route to take to get there.
That's also where I have my biggest problems with the Sea Shepherds group, in the other videos where they are clearly ramming whaling ships with an equally large vessel. This isnt in your bathtub, or in the nearby lake - THIS IS HUNDREDS, IF NOT *THOUSANDS* - OF MILES FROM SHORE!!! You fuck up and unintentionally sink somebody out here, and people are most likely going to die. This kind of assing around, by EITHER SIDE (or by ANYBODY, when you get right down to it), is unconscionable and unacceptable. I'm glad the Barker was there to pick up the stranded crew of the Ady Gil, but you'll note in several of the pictures that the Shonen Maru is at a full stop close by, just in case. Sailors - even ones who are bitter enemies - generally DO have a sense of honor and obey "the rules", whether written or unwritten.
In this instance, it appears both sides my have violated those rules, but when it all went wrong, clearer heads did seem to prevail.
I agree. The actors on both sides of this issue are being hideously stupid (homicidally stupid as well, at least in terms of risk). Neither side has any moral ground for claiming benefit from preventing human casualties.
A pox on both their houses
perfessergee
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Hmm, apparently you've been laboring under a misconception of exactly what a prosecutor *IS*, there, Perfesser.
You see, their whole job consists of throwing someone in jail, it don't matter whether they're innocent or guilty, it don't even matter when they are OBVIOUSLY innocent, as the prosecutors office runs on conviction rate, not justice, which it ain't got a damned thing to do with.
Add to this, that the State allows them to stack the deck, even helps them do so, whether it be pre-stacked jury pools (and here you thought that selection was RANDOM ? HAHAHAHA!) to violations of discovery, illegal jury instructions, picking favorable venues or judges, even provides them with an opponent perfectly willing to take a dive (the public defender) who's whole job is to tank the case while making the prosecutor look good, cause if they do that *enough* they get a shot at the other side of the courtroom and eventually the bench, see ?
In fact, prosecutorial immunity allows them to go so far as to fabricate evidence or testimony in efforts to convict you - more or less outright frame you, free of any particular consequence - I do NOT jest, this is actually a current issue being chewed on by the Supreme Court after decades worth of blatant abuse.
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/how-broad-is-prosecutorial-immunity/
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/what-would-prosecutors-do/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/us/05scotus.html
"The men then sued Pottawattamie County, Iowa, and two former prosecutors, saying the prosecutors had ordered them arrested without probable cause, had coerced witnesses and had fabricated and concealed evidence.
"In November, lawyers for the prosecutors argued before the Supreme Court that they were immune from lawsuits because they were acting within the scope of their job."
You can find more about that here.
http://truthinjustice.org/systemworks.htm
Before our justice system was so thoroughly corrupted, prosecutors were often as not the aggrieved party themselves and viewed with proper skepticism, and for some time after the adoption of a "professional" one - they were considered lower than tax collectors on the scale of humanity, which is where they belong, but lots of bullshit myth-making and media spin have somehow created the fictional idea that they're decent human beings, which is as much of a shoveljob as police work being dangerous - and lied about mostly for the same reasons, to excuse conduct that really should be inexcusable for ANYONE.
A prosecutor is nothing more than a paid bully for the state, pounding on someone who that State has stripped of both their freedom and income, often leaving the only defense they can obtain or afford in the hands of the States professional dive takers, or for braver souls, their own hands, which is considered mostly a joke because while the State supposedly *HAS* rules, exactly how do you enforce that when the party that would be enforcing them happens to be the one breaking them, eh ?
So, a Bully, with the loaded deck and the full force of the State behind them, whom you are supposed to cheer on as they hammer down, humiliate, and then incarcerate, whatever poor schmuck the cops rounded up to close the case and get it out of their hair so they can get back to the lucrative exortion of ticket spamming and asset forfeiture.
And once you fully understand that, the true nature of the creature in question, then it's behavior makes perfect sense when placed in a real world context instead of the make believe fantasy your civics class fed you, it being part and parcel of the same "system".
Government can't stop crime because Government *IS* crime, they just hate competition, is all.
-Frem
PS. It also explains why he's so bloody awful at making his arguments in the real world, especially here - since he doesn't have a Judge holding his hand and silencing his opponents, nor does he have a pre-stacked deck of State worshipping idolators to salivate over his every proclaimation.
And the results of THAT, are as
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Quote:O.M.G. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Government can't stop crime because Government *IS* crime, they just hate competition, is all.
PS. It also explains why he's so bloody awful at making his arguments in the real world, especially here - since he doesn't have a Judge holding his hand and silencing his opponents, nor does he have a pre-stacked deck of State worshipping idolators to salivate over his every proclaimation.
I can't *wait* to see Hero's response to THIS, Frem!!! You
with such extreme eloquence & decisiveness!!On the high sea of reason, you've sunk Hero's dingy, I'm afraid!
The laughing Chrisisall
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What? No defense against the specified charges, H?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by perfessergee:
WHAT?!!! Good god you are a hypocrite. Damn, I thought that even you had some rational ethics in your background, but you have proven me wrong. Anything that backs up your prejudices appears to be OK, including hosing down a disabled ship after it had been rammed. Do you have any sense of decency at all? You have apparently no honor whatsoever. Heaven save us from prosecutors who think they should rule the world....
As a Prosecutor I see daily the power the State has. We can come into your home seize you and your property and imprison or execute you. We can do all those things provided we can make our case in a court of law.
Are you and the liberals on this board advocating we eliminate the Courts in all situations or just the ones involving folks and practices you don't approve of?
Or maybe, since no State was involved, you want to approve violent action by non-state actors when they fail to get what they want by peaceful mean. That's a dangerous path, especially since you wont find Batman on that path, but Al Queda is hanging out at the end wondering why they got so close and didn't just blow themselves and the Jap ship up. I note for the record that if these protestors approached a US warship in the same manner the protestors would be fired on (because of the Cole).
I linked to videos showing the incident was clearly the result of the pattern of irresponsible acts of the protest boat, videos that show numerous "crossing of the bow" incidents, videos that show attempts to damage or disable the Jap ships, and videos that show the intentional ramming (twice) of a Jap whaler by the Steve Irwin, a large ship similar to the whaler, not a small racing boat like the one damaged in the most recent incident.
On the other side the videos show the Japs using water cannons and noise generators to drive off the attackers (noting for the record the same tactics are used by commercial vessels to repel pirates).
As for hosing down the disabled ship, the video speaks for itself. It was only a few seconds as part of the ongoing hosing down of the vessel as it moved dangerously close (noting that the water cannons have a very short range).
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Hero:
As for hosing down the disabled ship, the video speaks for itself. It was only a few seconds as part of the ongoing hosing down of the vessel as it moved dangerously close (noting that the water cannons have a very short range).
LOL,
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
A prosecutor is nothing more than a paid bully for the state, pounding on someone who that State has stripped of both their freedom and income...
Wow, somebody has a lot of hostility. I wonder why he sees things so one sided?
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Government can't stop crime because Government *IS* crime
Oh, he hates govt, well no wonder he hates me. I work for the govt. He described our City Hall Janitor the same way:
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A City Hall Janitor is nothing more then a paid bully of the State sweeping up helpless dirt and cleaning innocent public toilets soiled through not fault of their own.
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It also explains why he's so bloody awful at making his arguments in the real world, especially here - since he doesn't have a Judge holding his hand and silencing his opponents, nor does he have a pre-stacked deck of State worshipping idolators to salivate over his every proclaimation.
Wow, so your for surrending to international authority over local laws, having others tell you what business or industry you can engage in, vigilante justice, and removing the protections of the courts.
Good luck with that.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Perhaps the question will be resolved when the Sea Shepard's purchase a replacement vessel ?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392713-for-sale-to-a-fore
ign-navy-the-british-warships-that-could-have-saved-hostages.do
HMS Dulverton, Brecon and Cottesmore, which cost £35million each when they were built in the Eighties - are now likely to be sold to a foreign navy or commercial buyers for as little as £200,000 each.
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists 
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
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So I am correct, your hottie left you. Not that I take pleasure in that, not at all. But a woman in our lives is the balance we crude asshole males need to keep us real.
Otherwise we are just Terminators.
The laughing Chrisisall
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