Did Kirk's rather *enthusiastic* execution of Nero bug you?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
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i have to disagree Mike - anyone who gets pleasure from killing another human is a pretty sick puppy in my book...
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Without hatred or triumph. You put down a rabid animal in the same way.
Killing is not fun. It's not cathartic.
It's grim.
That's my take, anyway.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Bah, we're all human, all flawed, Kirk as much as any of us...
He was serious in his offer of rescue, but it was only out of a sense of obligation to be the better person, and he was quite, quite satisfied in seeing Nero hoisted on his own petard, you bet.
He scored better than I woulda, on a moral scale, cause I would NOT have offered a rescue, instead reminding him of the human proverb that a person seeking revenge should dig two graves first.
-F
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You know, I'm reminded of this other captain who pushed a prisoner into an engine, repeatedly stabbed a man who had yielded to him, and watched approvingly as a bound prisoner he had captured was shot and killed.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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chrisisall wrote:
Monday, December 21, 2009 09:03
"Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Without hatred or triumph. You put down a rabid animal in the same way.
Killing is not fun. It's not cathartic.
It's grim.
That's my take, anyway.
So you are not able to envisage any situation where your take might not be the case?
If you family had been brutally raped, murdered and dismembered by a perverted psychopath whilst he had forced you to watch, might you not take PLEASURE from killing this monster?
It aint all black and white.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:Quote:
chrisisall wrote:
Monday, December 21, 2009 09:03
"Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Without hatred or triumph. You put down a rabid animal in the same way.
Killing is not fun. It's not cathartic.
It's grim.
That's my take, anyway.
So you are not able to envisage any situation where your take my not be the case?
If you family had been brutally raped, murdered and dismembered by a perverted psychopath whilst he had forced you to watch, might you not take PLEASURE from killing this monster?
It aint all black and white.
We all come into this world the same way, naked, screaming, and covered in someone else's blood. That doesn't have to change if you have the right God.
Also, F**K the self righteous idiots who think they are better than their fellow man/woman who have known pain. I will not blame those who hurt more than I for taking pleasure in vengeance. No, it's not all B&W, but pleasurable? yes. it is.
Dearest morons: If you've not known pain, be thankful more than "superior". Pain will find you. You will miss your ignorance.
"I've looked into a million laughing unhappinesses. In every bar and on the TV. But I know the real thing. I can remember. I can almost tell you how it is." - Trap the Spark - Happiness is the Road - Marillion
"Our forefathers died for the pursuit of happiness, not the sit around and wait for happiness." -Barney -HIMYM
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Quote:Frem, it was the film-making that was iffy. The singularity was gonna end Nero anyway. Kirk firing on the Narada was just Hollywood endgame gloop.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Bah, we're all human, all flawed, Kirk as much as any of us...
I just resent overkillisall.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:"oh, darn."
Originally posted by Geezer:
You know, I'm reminded of this other captain who pushed a prisoner into an engine
The laughing Chrisisall
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Quote:No. Sorry.
Originally posted by Calhoun:
So you are not able to envisage any situation where your take might not be the case?
If you family had been brutally raped, murdered and dismembered by a perverted psychopath whilst he had forced you to watch, might you not take PLEASURE from killing this monster?
I take pleasure in family picknicks, making love to my Wife, and so on.
Taking out the garbage is a necessary chore, that's all.
The laughing Chrisisall
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I dunno, Chris - I mean, overkill can be pretty messy, both morally and physically (especially on nice boots!) but if there's one thing too many protaganists fall victim to in movies, it's Not Making Sure - I didn't see it as having any explicit nasty motive, as much as Kirk making absolutely SURE that guy was gone.
Given what happened in the other continuity with Khan, I'd hafta say I see his reasoning there.
-F
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