How messed up are you?
POSTED BY: Iremisst
UPDATED: Thursday, January 21, 2010 23:52
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Originally posted by xraftermanx:
You said France was number one and I asked according to? You never answered. I answered it for you.
You answered for me in the same breath that you asked the freaking question! You had no interest in hearing my answer, or you'd have given me a chance to answer.
Also, I note for the record that all of your sources are conservative publications. It comes as no surprise they'd reflect your Republican values and skew their results to meet your expectations.
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No matter where you go the US has the highest 5 year cancer survival rate. If you go by WHO stats then Costa Rica ranks better than the USA. Still I will stay here were quality no matter the price is king. I would rather have the 91.9% chance of surviving 5 years than Europe's 57.7%.
According to factcheck.org, that's wrong info, but you should be used to that. You're so very, very good at giving out faulty information, and then claiming that you weren't "using quotes or statistics" so you shouldn't be held accountable for the figures you spew.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/a-false-appeal-to-womens-fears/
WebMD backs this up with some numbers of its own, which also refute your claims.
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20080716/cancer-survival-rates-vary-b
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Where you live plays a role in cancer survival, according to a new study that shows the U.S., Japan, and France recorded the highest survival rates among 31 nations for four types of cancer. Algeria had the lowest survival rates for all four cancers.
"This is the first direct comparison of so many countries as far as I am aware," says Michel Coleman, MD, a professor of epidemiology and vital statistics at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and the study's lead author.
While Coleman and other epidemiologists have long known that cancer survival rates vary country by country, and even within a country, the study lends hard numbers to the fact. Still, there were surprises. "I think the surprises were that the range in global survival is really quite wide," Coleman tells WebMD.
"Survival in the USA is high on a global scale but varies quite widely among individual states as well as between blacks and whites within the USA," he tells WebMD.
Cancer Survival by Country
Coleman and colleagues drew on data from nearly 2 million cancer patients, ages 15 to 99, whose medical information was entered into 101 population-based cancer registries in 31 countries. The patients had been diagnosed with one of four cancers: breast, colon, rectum, or prostate cancers during the years 1990-1994. They were followed up to 1999, with the researchers comparing five-year survival rates.
The highest survival rates were found in the U.S. for breast and prostate cancer, in Japan for colon and rectal cancers in men, and in France for colon and rectal cancers in women, Coleman's team reports.
In Canada and Australia, survival was also high for most cancers.
The lowest cancer survival rates for all four cancers were found in Algeria.
But YOU said, and I quote:
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No matter where you go the US has the highest 5 year cancer survival rate. If you go by WHO stats then Costa Rica ranks better than the USA. Still I will stay here were quality no matter the price is king. I would rather have the 91.9% chance of surviving 5 years than Europe's 57.7%.
"No matter where you go, the US has the highest 5-year cancer survival rate."
Well, as long as you're only talking about two certain types of cancer, that is.
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I am done writing here...
Yes, run away. It's what Republicans do best these days.
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You found your way to FFF because you thought you were a fan but think long and hard about what the crew of Serenity stand for and why they do what they do.
Do you often confuse a television show for reality? Did you think Star Wars was real, too?
Mike
Work is the curse
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Hey unload away Iremisst...the system sucks worse in your country than it does in mine. It does always come down to the money though. If you are well off and can afford health insurance you get taken care of. the rest of us have to wait and wait until you just give up. My situation is not as bad as others, but it does get exhausting sometimes. So I myself to piss and moan about it. It's theraputic.
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I Have a reaAALLLLY bad idea , Boris...
Next time you get a few days clear in your schedule maybe you should get jacked on pain pills and try to dislocate it so they have to fix it then...
Bad idea, and yes, after what happened to mom I completely know what I'm sayin' is a bitch, but sometimes playin' by other people's rules means ya hafta play hardball...
Either way, please let me know if it ever gets fixed, 'till then I'll be wishing better things for ya hon, & stay strong!
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Does anybody here watch WNIN or PBS? They had a documentary on last month about our (and parts of others) healthcare systems. Don't remember much, 'cept Japan charges the equivilent of $10 for a night's stay in a hospital (which is great , but half of the hosp. are going broke!)
But the thing that seemed to be working better is the way a doctor's visit is handled... First the doctor stays in the same office and you come to him which is not really a problem because your whole visit is less than five minutes- you state your problem he writes a prescription for you to try and on your way you go. Also, simple problems are VERY cheap to fix. Five dollars for a laceration suture, wart removal ect. And pretty much every procedure has a Gov. regulated set price... No thousand dollar ice packs or anything... Only problem with that is fewer peeps want to BE docs, because they can't get rich at it... so ... I dunno. If we can be vampiristic and suck the good procedures out of other countries and modify them slightly so we leave off the negatives, we COULD get somewhere, maybe...
By the way, I was charged $38 for ONE DOSE of regular children's Motrin one time and I still find that shocking, I checked -I could buy 7 bottles of it for that!
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eek! Iremisst that is radical!!! just thinking about the pain of doing that to myself is making me wince so hard my jaw and temple hurt. Ironically it looks like I may have to have it professionally dislocated and then repositioned to fix it anyway...but it will happen under sedation...with the pain factor managed.
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Oh, thank god...Am very happy to hear it. You probably wouldn't believe the things I've done to myself to not go to a doc, especially when we were out of jobs. Don't know if it's made me stronger or a little bit crazier 
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
( and just to clarify.. we pay soldier's salaries, college education, and retirement, so it logically follows we'd pay for their medical as well. They defend THE NATION, so it's only proper the nation pays them for their service. City & local communities foot the bill for their LOCAL services. Due function of Govt )
Sorry, Rappy, but you got lost in the flood a bit, what with all the hullaballou Rafterman was making, before he decided to ponce off.
So where were we?
Oh yeah. WHY do you say this is all due function of government? WHY do we give these soldiers these benefits? HOW did they come to be?
Aren't they just more socialist programs enacted by that famous socialist, FDR? Are you defending socialism?
You DID know that prior to 1944, most of these things WEREN'T paid for, right?
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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You're changing the subject again.
First, it was to treat US military as being on par w/ local fire, police and educmicators, or what ever. NOW it's switched to how business was done pre/ post WW2.
The point being, those who defend the nation should be paid BY the nation, as those who work for state/ local bodies should be paid by them.
The T.Rex they call JANE!
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Actually, the point is, we as a nation didn't use to do these things for our soldiers and veterans; we do now. Things change. They CAN change, and we can change them. We also used to not pay for police and fire protection; we had volunteers for that. Things change.
We pay soldiers for their "service" to the nation. We provide them with insurance for the same reason. Likewise, we can decide as a nation that we are going to provide insurance for all citizens, as part of the payment we make for their service to the nation.
The things you say are done as "functions of the government" weren't always functions of the government. We made them that way, and most of them quite recently, historically speaking.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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This thread has gone on so long, and I"'m a latecomer to it, so I've probably missed a lot.
I'm covered thru my husband's insurance, and it's damned good. Only once been refused coverage; Jim went for a recheck of his various stuff (emphysema, arteriosclerosis, etc.) and they billed it as a "regular checkup)...we're still fighting it, but will probably have to pay the $400 in the end, dammit.
But I've been through a LOT of stuff, several surgeries, in the past few years, and everything's been covered. Even physical therapy, for more than the officially covered amount. Just finished another bout of PT for achilles tendonitis, and immediately started up again (like the same week) for degenerative disc disease.
Our dental coverage sucks, however. I've got several chipped teeth and am waiting for the new year to do them. When I finally went last time, I, too, had myriad problems which need fixing, but it's so expensive, I'm doing it a bit at a time.
Last time I saw a dentist, I had to have a bridge. Paid my estimated share, but it turned out to be much higher than estimated. Took years to pay off, and I never finished, so have two filed-down teeth in preparation of a bridge and a huge gap between them. Gotten used to it; dunno if I can ever afford to have it finished.
In my opinion we desperately need reform in America. I'm lucky because my husband is covered through the union (tho' he's not in the union, there are only a couple of admin people so they get the same coverage). I do believe it's Blue Cross, via an employee trust fund...but I agree, BLue Cross and Blue Shield are the devil incarnate and MUST be curtailed in their rampant pursuit of more and more profits.
Medicare picks up what insurance doesn't for me, so I rarely pay much for anything. Given I've got Medicare, and we'll get a supplement once Jim ceases working, I have no personal interest in the healthcare reform issue...but I still feel VERY strongly for all those without decent healthcare and those having to fight for ANY here in the US.
I just learned the proposed bill SOLIDIFIES the big ins. co.'s monopoly status--that and the individual mandate, with no public option, makes it an ins. co. gimee, nothing more. We need something that will actually CURTAIL their huge profits and unsavory actions. I'm allowed to wish...
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