How messed up are you?

POSTED BY: Iremisst
UPDATED: Thursday, January 21, 2010 23:52
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Actually, you're wrong - Texas HAS done it, and has had very mixed reviews. Non-economic damages are capped at $250,000, by the way, not $750,000. 34 states have enacted tort reform, but apparently neo-LIbertarians don't believe the states know what they're doing, because they - along with the Republicans who spawned them - seem to think that we need a massive new federal program aimed at tort reform at the federal level, and at putting all class-action lawsuits into the federal system.

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Yeah it is 250, my bad, I had read it a while ago. 34 is not quite 50 now is it. Would it take a huge program or to just institute a law capping it at 250 and insuring Judges follow the law.

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Which is all a very nice subsidy for big business. We'll cap their payouts, but malpractice incidents won't become less common, and the malpractice insurance premiums won't come down anywhere near as much as the payouts are lessened for the carriers. It's a win-win for the insurance industry, which you seem to be very happy for. Your supposed "libertarian" leanings seem to me to be nothing more than neo-Bushisms under their latest name: tea-bagging. It's the same old corporatism, but today you call it "libertarianism" where yesterday you called it "neo-conservatism".

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Can you call this a subsidy? These aren't taxes they are damage awards. Malpractice suits are less common in Texas. Dallas county went from 1,108 in 2003 to 142 in 2004 after it was instituted. 184 last year and thousands of doctors are headed for Texas to practice medicine.

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/05/19/doctors-flock-to-texas-after-to
rt-reform/?mod=WSJBlog

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What's this, have we abandoned the RWED to PirateNews and moved all rational discourse here? It's a good idea.

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The EU regulates the work week and as such their is no incentive to working hard. A doctor will put in his/her 48 hours and go home because he/she will not get paid and it is illegal. So doctors become scarce. They get paid less because they see less patients. Those who would enter the profession do not choose to because they can not make enough money to even pay back their student loans. So what is left is the rationing of Health Care. And you get to stand in line. You pay more in you taxes for less services than you would in a private system. This is rudimentary economics.

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From Wikipedia:

"More money per person is spent on health care in the United States than in any other nation in the world"

"Currently the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][12] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States


Hmm, the facts are at odds with your neat economic theory.

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Despite what you're seeing in the news, despite what Congress is going through, this 'crisis' is purely manufactured for political reasons.

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You don't see a need for reform? Not scared at all by these graphs?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Health_care_cost_rise.PNG

Heads should roll

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Originally posted by Iremisst:

My mother has a job with a flexible schedule that allows her to volunteer with the fuzzy-wuzzies but has no insurance... anyway three days ago she fell on her truck and completely dislocated her shoulder...She still in massive pain and also can't afford therapy, or the hospital visit... My Grandmother wanted to take her to a CHIROPRACTER because she thought it'd be CHEAPER!!

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Chiro is very cheap ($30 a visit), but don't volunteer for the "physical therapy". That's where they make 80% of their profit. Chiro is also better than any MD for joint problems, unless the tendons and ligaments have completely torn from the bone. Osteopath is best of both worlds, but more expensive than chiro.

Chiros won't tell you to drink vinegar/honey, which tightens the ligaments, eliminates muscle pain and makes arthritis go away. That would eliminate their repeat business.

Not having insurance is a good thing, since MDs murder 2-million US citizens every year.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

None of the "reform" will attempt to reduce death by medmal, and Obama will ban all vitamins, since the goal of "reform" is to massively raise the death rate, and massively raise taxes to bail out the insurance companies who wrote the legislation.

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A good idea while it lasted.

Heads should roll

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Originally posted by kpo:

"More money per person is spent on health care in the United States than in any other nation in the world"

"Currently the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][12] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States

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Abortion = infant mortality, but is NOT included in "statistics".

As a former US soldier, I've been waiting 12 years for a medical appointment with the Veterans Administration clinic. The only VA doctor in Tennessee who tests for radiation poisoning works 8 hours away, part-time, and he's from Pakistan, a nation USA is currently at war with. My wife got paid $80/month VA disability pension for medical malpractice, but after 6 months VA stole it all back, saying only 5% of disabled soldiers get paid both retirement and disability pensions (the only job in USA that does that).

The average disabled US soldier is forced to live on $80/month. VA has 4,000 lawyers whose job is to deny claims, while vets are not allowed to hire lawyers. VA hospitals have maggots eating the brains of patients.

US war vets must repay their enlistment bonus when their legs get blown off, and are billed for damaged "bullet-proof" vests with bullet holes.Soldiers who complain about bad healthcare are either murdered in hospital, or their careers are destroyed, according to family members who complained to commanding officers.

THAT'S what you get when Uncle Scam gives you "free" healthcare (paid for by borrowed money from Commie China, that genocided 60-million of its citizens and has a 1-child-or-we-kill-your-baby-after-its-born law).

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Originally posted by xraftermanx:

What is taking away states rights is mandating that all citizens must purchase health insurance. In the house bill, if you do not purchase health insurance you will be fined. If you do not pay the fine you will be imprisoned.

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5 years in prison and $250,000 fine if you refuse to buy a $15,000 insurance policy to bail out a private insurance corporation, that pays its executives $100,000 PER WEEK personal salary PER PERSON, up to a personal salary of $35-BILLION PER YEAR PER PERSON TAX-FREE, as Warren Buffet paid himself as head of GEICO Govt Employees Insurance Corp.

The kosher banksters got their $25-Trillion Bailout. Now its the insurance robber barons turn at the trough.

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Yeah it is 250, my bad, I had read it a while ago. 34 is not quite 50 now is it. Would it take a huge program or to just institute a law capping it at 250 and insuring Judges follow the law.

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Just so we get this all straight - you're a "libertarian", calling for MORE federal laws, right?

And "insuring judges follow the law" is the answer, in your book? You have a funny, funny idea of what "libertarian" means, guy. You seem to be saying that mandatory minimums are A-OK in your book; after all, why should judges have any semblance of personal responsibility in how they mete out justice or sentencing, eh? Just write it all into a federally-mandated sentencing handbook, and then you don't even NEED the judges in the first place!

And how about "insuring doctors follow their charts" in the first place? Seems if they weren't fucking up so often, there wouldn't be so many lawsuits.

And yes, it IS a subsidy - it's money that your beloved little tort reform GIVES the insurance industry, in the form of money for mistakes that they NEVER pay out. They still take the premiums, of course - so this is just extra profit for them. It's a subsidy, bought and paid for by your government.

By the way, will your tort reform extend to everybody, in your ideal world? For instance, if I murder somebody and claim it was an "accident", can I just pay $250,000 and stay out of prison? :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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