How messed up are you?

you and my dear old grandpa, they had one store that carried size 15 house slippers, so that's what he wore...house slippers....EVERYWHERE!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Well, I feel limited about replying to this thread by keeping any political views out of it, but here goes.

I take care of myself so I don't have to pay as much, which is what we all should do.

There is no 'crisis' in healthcare. That's how I see it.

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First, I find that politics, religion (and if you know the country song>>HER) when entered into the equation of a well-mannered discussion, bring emotionalism in and then the discussion is shot to hell

You will never really find me discussing any of those things in open forum.
I might say one or two things but then leave the room, not everyone's cuppa tea, but if someone else puts specific rules in their post I try to follow them out of common decency.

Second, you take care of yourself...GREAT, then you are not currently part of the problem... But for those people who have so many health problems that (through no fault of their own) simply taking care of yourself becomes a Herculean task, so I feel that shouldering some of the burden is the task of our semi-civilized society... Consider yourself blessed to have such unencumbered physical DNA.

Thirdly, while I asked for your oppinions and I appreciate you taking the time to make a contribution, if you think there is no heathcare crisis in this country, then you simply do not know enough people, especially veterans.

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I'm lucky enough to live in a country with health-care. Except in rare exceptional cases, it's readily available to all, no matter what some scare-mongers would have the American people believe.

Given my health problems, the injuries I have suffered in my life, and the fact that I am incredibly poor (despite having worked hard at my education and being well-qualified as a result), if I'd been born and raised in the USA I'd be very messed up indeed. In fact I'd probably be dead by now.

The UK has a lot of problems, but our NHS has done well by me.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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I like the remarks by your countryman Daniel Hannan.

Only the rich in the UK can afford private insurance with private doctors so that they do not have to queue-up for visits and then wait for months for a surgery.

Then this...
"Thirdly, while I asked for your oppinions and I appreciate you taking the time to make a contribution, if you think there is no heathcare crisis in this country, then you simply do not know enough people, especially veterans."

Who runs the VA system? The Federal Government? and people want to turn the whole thing over to them.

The US Constitution gives limited power to Congress. One is to regulate interstate commerce. Letting companies compete across state lines like auto insurance is exactly what is called for by the Constitution here.

Who knows the price of a blood test and a 15 minute GP consultation? The price varies by insurance company.

What is the price of breast augmentation? Because we pay out of pocket for cosmetic/elective surgery the price has come down and more innovative procedures have been implemented.

Every woman who has breast augmentation knows their surgeon, anesthesiologist, nurses, costs, recovery time, and the reputation of all involved. They also shopped around and got the best price too.

You get what you pay for. Instead of a new car at $500/mo + gas + insurance + tax + tags, buy a used vehicle and get yourself covered. I guess you have to have priorities or big brother can pay for everything and you have to wait your turn and ask permission. Your choice.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
take care of myself so I don't have to pay as much, which is what we all should do. I don't smoke, ( never have ) and keep my bp and cholesterol in check so I don't have any prescriptions.

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I don't smoke. I never have. I don't drink. I never have. I don't pump any form of chemical into my body. I never have. I'm healthier than most people, but that doesn't mean I'm perfect and never need care. Seeing as I'm a college student from a middle class (at best) background, I don't have gobs of money to throw at basic care. I believe I mentioned the toll my dental bills have been taking. This wasn't a case of me never brushing my teeth or flooding them with sugar every day. I've had tartar and plaque problems for as long as I can remember, and nothing I do on my own solves the problem, I need professional care every once in awhile. Likewise, nothing I did led to my vision problems. My eyes just kind of started failing when I was nine. I don't have the money to throw at that right now, so I wear old glasses. I take care of them, and they've lasted me for years, but there's nothing I can do on my own to fix my eyes or enhance my vision. So. Yeah. By all means, take care of yourself, I think that should be first and foremost for all people. Do research, do what you can, absolutely keep yourself healthy. But don't think that means nothing will ever happen to you, nothing will ever go wrong, nothing will need to be covered. Healthy people should get free or reduced health care, since they put less strain on the system than people who don't care for themselves and destroy their bodies. But even healthy people, like me, can be refused care because I'm not perfect. And that is outrageous. Whatever you might say, you cannot convince me that it's right that I'm refused coverage at a cheaper company, just because there may or may not be something amiss with my glands. I mean, really.

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4 years without a dentist and you knew you were prone to cavities and such. I don't have dental or vision coverage and I pay out of pocket. Every six months I get a dental cleaning and every year I get x-rays. $80 for the cleaning and $50 for the x-rays. A bit less than $3000 and pain. An educated health consumer is a healthy consumer.

What I do. I have an acidic mouth. I always have. I am prone to getting cavities and canker sores if I ever bite my cheek and stuff. I use Pro-Namel, and Listerine twice a day. I also floss everyday.

So I spent $840 and 8 visits to the dentist in 4 years vs $3000 and 1 visit. You get what you pay for.

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Yes. Thank you. Because of course I had the money to visit the dentist and I just opted not to. Guess I shouldn't have paid for silly things like... food. And shelter. And transportation so I could continue getting to work. I didn't even buy clothes for six years. Or new glasses for three. OF COURSE there was wiggle room in my budget. Goddamn, how did I miss that?

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Not saying your lazy or anything but I put myself through college and worked one full time and two part time jobs. I paid for the health care that I could afford because I have had a catastrophic illness. Pre-existing condition has always been a part of my life and will always be. I shop around but I suck it up. I shop for the best dentist and I pay for visits. I don't gamble, drink, smoke, or go out to fancy restaurants. I have been unemployed now for three years. I am racking up the debt in student loans as I finish up my masters. I currently work three part time jobs to get by since my unemployment ran out. Unemployment just made me a lazy dependent.

So if you are disabled, have an IQ less than 75, or struggle with an addiction you can find programs to help. Otherwise, toughen up buttercup and pay for what you get.

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Originally posted by xraftermanx:
Not saying your lazy or anything but I put myself through college and worked one full time and two part time jobs. I paid for the health care that I could afford because I have had a catastrophic illness. Pre-existing condition has always been a part of my life and will always be. I shop around but I suck it up. I shop for the best dentist and I pay for visits. I don't gamble, drink, smoke, or go out to fancy restaurants. I have been unemployed now for three years. I am racking up the debt in student loans as I finish up my masters. I currently work three part time jobs to get by since my unemployment ran out. Unemployment just made me a lazy dependent.

So if you are disabled, have an IQ less than 75, or struggle with an addiction you can find programs to help. Otherwise, toughen up buttercup and pay for what you get.

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Easy for you to say, AFTER taking all the unemployment you could.

Thing is, if you AREN'T disabled, have an IQ more than 75, and don't struggle with an addiction, you're shit outta luck on the getting any kind of help department. Unless you're you, sucking on the government teat while claiming IT made you lazy, instead of admitting that your laziness made you lazy, and you sucked the tit for all it was worth, because of your own laziness.

Glad to hear you finally toughened up, though.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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