IRAN - What would you do?
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 06:49
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
We ain't talking about Israel or Iran, either one, at this little moment. We are ( or at least I was ) posting about the correct grammatical usage of the terms " pro" and " con". On the question of Israel, I think it's best to table that argument for the here and now. We seem to disagree, and it's not the type of disagreement that can be resolved quickly or easily.
The mistake you seem to be making, NOBC, is that you mistake NOT being *A*N*T*I*-Iran as actually, actively being PRO-Iran. You seem to have this idea that one cannot be Iran-neutral.
As for the words "pro" and "con" - how's about we use "pro" and "anti", since they seem to fit better. I'm not ANTI-Israel, but I'm not exactly PRO-Israel, either. They have a right to exist, and to defend themselves. As does Iran. Let's just say that Iran has exactly as legitimate a right to nuclear weapons as Israel does. Or Pakistan. Or North Korea. Or South Africa. Or France, Great Britain, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, the United States...
When it comes to Israel, or Iran, or Iraq, I'm Switzerland.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
Not sure one can be neutral on this subject, at least not in the context of this thread, but if you say you are, I'll accept that.
You are correct, I do sometimes divide things into pro and con or anti ( same thing as far as I'm concerned.), black and white, yes and no, and don't leave room for the maybe in the middle.
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Originally posted by piratenews:
Sing it with me:
KILL THE JEWS!
KILL THE JEWS!
KILL THE JEWS!
While this is disturbing...don't forget, he considers EVERYONE a Jew.
Obama, Jew. The Queen, Jew. Sarah Palin, Jew. Tiger Woods, Jew. The cop that pulled him over for going 80 in a school zone, Jew. The cast of Glee, Jews. The aliens who give him nightly anal probes, jews. His neighbor, Jew. His parents, Jews. Jews, everyone of them. All Jews...and all Nazis and all 'out to get him'.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Sing it with me:
KILL THE JEWS!
KILL THE JEWS!
KILL THE JEWS!
While this is disturbing...don't forget, he considers EVERYONE a Jew.
Obama, Jew. The Queen, Jew. Sarah Palin, Jew. Tiger Woods, Jew. The cop that pulled him over for going 80 in a school zone, Jew. The cast of Glee, Jews. The aliens who give him nightly anal probes, jews. His neighbor, Jew. His parents, Jews. Jews, everyone of them. All Jews...and all Nazis and all 'out to get him'.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
He even thinks Jesus Christ was a Jew!.....Oh wait, he was. Sorry 'bout that.
Hey PN...have you ever seen the film "History Of The World Part I"? During the "Inquisition" segment, Mel Brooks sings a wonderful cabaret number called The Inquisition, complete with Jews under torture, and dancing and singing nuns. I suggest you watch it. It will bring you much happiness.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
In the now-ancient words of Star Trek: " What the Klingon has said is unimportant and we do not hear his words"-- " Watch out, Jim, I just called the Klingon a liar."
Either you accessed IMDB quotes, or you have some great memory to come up with that line from Star Trek. The Klingon in question was played by Tige Andrews, who later went on to do the Mod Squad tv series. Friday's Child, a great episode that featured the lovely Julie Newmar, is one of my personal favorites.
" Sorry, neither..." to steal another Trek quote. That particular usage is one that I carry around in my head. A really polite way of calling someone a liar...
Where exactly am I lying asshole ?
I am simply pointing out a flaw in your bullshit, as I am sure you are anti Cuba, despite their gesture to help in a diaster. I can respect people who have opposing opinions but I have no time for hypocrites or assholes... so go fuck yourself
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists
Lets party like its 1939
Not gonna waste my time recapping the post of 12-02 time stamped 06:54 where I correctly quoted the post that you edited and distorted by editing a quote within a quote, a particular and deliberate effort. Or the one at 08:34 where I explained my objection to distortion of what I posted but not to editing.
You will note that when I merely misattributed something to Kwicko, and he called me on it, I promptly apologized.
You are a liar,and a cheat, and a coward and a pisspot. You are "nye-kultourni."
You will remain such until you cease deliberately distorting others' words, and apologize, and then act like a gentleman, instead of like Dick Cheney.
Go back to your mosque and jump off the minaret.
"Gino Beefaroni's words are STILL unimportant, and we STILL do not hear him."
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
That strategy certainly worked in Iraq!
Your confusing the embargo on Iraq oil exports with an embargo on Iranian gasoline imports.
Its different for two reasons. One, gasoline is refined oil and two, an import means its going in.
Wow, thanks for clearing that up. Because when you started rattling on about military strikes and sinking the Iranian navy, and I said that that strategy worked wonderfully in Iraq, I of course was speaking of your gasoline embargo idea. [/sarcasm]
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The gasoline idea is not mine...
No kidding. It's still a stupid idea. Didn't we try something similar with Japan in 1940? What's the worst that could happen?
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...its considered the most severe option short of military action in the playbook.
And yet, it's the very FIRST option you ran to. And you say you're not a warmonger and that you love all human life... ;)
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Iran's economy, already on weak footing, would simply shut down in a matter of days likely resulting in massive social unrest and violence.
Do you get this stuff from the same brain trusts who brought us the brilliant post-invasion Iraq planning? You know, the guys who claimed the war would cost $17 billion, tops?
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Iran would be forced to respond militarily, which is why the option has not been used. Once used military confrontation is inevitable.
Of course, if military confrontation with Iraq is what you really WANT, it's a brilliant plan. Just don't try to say that you don't want that, okay? And don't try to lay all the blame on them, if you lay out a plan that you yourself have said would leave them no choice but to take military action.
To get an import embargo on gasoline, you have to get China on board. So far, they aren't. In fact, they really aren't on board with much of anything in the way of punitive measures against Iran, which is one of their key trading partners. In short, a U.S. embargo of Iran is about as effective as a U.S. embargo of Cuba has been. It inconveniences the country that's under embargo, but it in no way collapses them. We think we've isolated Cuba, but we've only isolated ouselves from them, not them from the world. Believe it or not, the world really DOESN'T revolve around America! :)
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Go back to your mosque and jump off the minaret.
Nice. :(
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Dated, but on point and interesting article
http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/those-tricky-irania
ns-are-now-threatening-to-coope.aspx
THOSE TRICKY IRANIANS ARE NOW THREATENING TO COOPERATE
NEW YORK October 05, 2009
The confusion over Iran’s nuclear program mounts as accusations and denials intensify.
In an effort to browbeat Iran into nuclear submission, the US, Britain and France staged a bravura performance of political theatre last week by claiming to have just `discovered’ a secret Iran uranium enrichment plant near Qum. On cue, a carefully orchestrated media blitz trumpeted warnings of the alleged Iranian nuclear threat and `long-ranged missiles.’
In reality, the Qum plant was detected by US spy satellites over two years ago, and was known to the intelligence community. Iran claimed the plant will not begin enriching uranium for peaceful power for another 540 days. UN nuclear rules, to which Iran adheres, calls for 180 days notice.
But Iran cast suspicion on itself by hastily alerting the UN’s nuclear agency, IAEA, right after the `revelation’ of the Qum plant and inviting inspection. Iran may not have been actually guilty of anything, but it looked guilty – in western eyes.
Iran can hardly be eager to reveal the locations of its nuclear sites or military secrets given the steady stream of threats by Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear plants and the beating of war drums in the United States. Iran also recalls Iraq, where half the UN `nuclear inspectors’ were actually spies for CIA or Israel’s Mossad. This may explain some of Iran’s secretive behavior.
The US, Britain, France and Israel have been even less forthcoming about their nuclear secrets. Israel and India reject all outside requests for information.
Iran’s test of some useless short ranged missiles, and an inaccurate 2,000-km medium ranged Shahab-3, provoked more hysteria. In a choice example of media scaremongering, one leading North American newspaper printed a picture of a 1960’s vintage SAM-2 antiaircraft missile being launched, with a caption warning of the `grave threat’ Iran posed to `international peace and security.’
Welcome to Iraq déjà vu, and another manufactured crisis. US intelligence and UN inspectors say Iran has no nuclear weapons and certainly no nuclear warheads and is only enriching uranium to 5%. Nuclear weapons require 95%. Iran’s nuclear facilities are under constant UN inspection and US surveillance.
The US, its allies, and Israel insist Iran is secretly developing nuclear warheads. They demand Tehran prove a negative: that is has no nuclear weapons. Iraq was also put to the same impossible test, then attacked when it naturally could not comply.
Now, the US government is again leaking claims that Iran is working on a nuclear warhead for its Shahah-3 medium-ranged missile. Iran says the data supposedly backing up this claim is a fake concocted by Israel’s Mossad. Forged data was also used to accuse Iraq.
Israel is deeply alarmed by Iran’s challenge to its Mideast nuclear monopoly. Chances of an Israeli attack on Iran are growing weekly, though the US is still restraining Israel.
The contrived uproar about the Qum plant was a ploy to intensify pressure on Iran to cease nuclear enrichment – though it has every right to do so under international agreements. The problem is that Iran has many good reasons for developing nuclear weapons for self-defense even though Tehran insists it is not.
More pressure was applied at last week’s meeting near Geneva between the Western powers and Iran. The Iranians then fooled everyone by actually agreeing to ship a good part of their enriched uranium to Russia for safekeeping, thus taking the wind out of the sails of the war party in Washington, London and Paris – at least for a while.
You could almost hear the outraged neocons in Washington yelling, `hey you sneaky Iranians, fight fair!’
Why does Ahmadinejad antagonize the West and act belligerent when he should be taking a very low profile?
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Welcome to Iraq déjà vu, and another manufactured crisis. US intelligence and UN inspectors say Iran has no nuclear weapons and certainly no nuclear warheads and is only enriching uranium to 5%. Nuclear weapons require 95%. Iran’s nuclear facilities are under constant UN inspection and US surveillance.
Not surprised, and figured as much. Seems like there's a strange agenda to try to destabilize the middle east.
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Originally posted by Bytemite:Quote:
Welcome to Iraq déjà vu, and another manufactured crisis. US intelligence and UN inspectors say Iran has no nuclear weapons and certainly no nuclear warheads and is only enriching uranium to 5%. Nuclear weapons require 95%. Iran’s nuclear facilities are under constant UN inspection and US surveillance.
Not surprised, and figured as much. Seems like there's a strange agenda to try to destabilize the middle east.
Or to promote the Nuclear issue to act against anyone not under the control of ... who ever orders these policies up
It would be a long scary thread to examine who actually forms US foreign policy and why, and once you get into the real power of the Israeli lobby groups, the CFR and how they have shaped policy, and all the other weird little clubs and cronyisms required to rise this field it would start to look like a PN post....
not everthing he says ( even some of the wacky shit ) should be dismissed out of hand
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists
Lets party like its 1939
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I'm old enough to remember when The Trilateral Commission was invoked to explain everything wrong with the world. Just a few years ago it was The Carlyle Group. Just a few months ago the imminent collpase of the entire global economy was being blamed on AIG (London).
It's not that these groups don't exist. It's not that they don't manipulate policies and businesses as far as they are able. But none of them is running the entire show. And all together, they share a common thread that we could break - if we wanted to. We just have to want to.
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And to answer directly on-topic: nothing. This is not a US problem.
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