IRAN - What would you do?
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 06:49
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I think my brain just had an aneurysm.
"Don't kill Iranians, let them sell us cheap oil, but all Iranians are jews, and kill all jews?"
WHAT.
Although, I have heard that story about the Ahmedinejad having changed his name to run for election, and that he might have been jewish. Much of Iran still hates Semites, there's a bunch of different tribes but the majority tribe is very much hostile. They do have plenty of jewish people, I think particularly towards the north?
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Thanks for giving a straight answer on Israel...you say they get the green light from President NOBC if they decide to attack Iran.
who offered to send Search and Rescue teams? and that's only the latest defining moment to ask that question about.
And the threat to them IS real. We have no duty to help them in advance, but if they feel the need to take some action, we do have a responsibility to support them. Not absolutely, and not without criticism, but ultimately, to support them.
Castro offer medical support and supplys after Katrina...
so are you pro Cuba?
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists
Lets party like its 1939
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"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. "- Barack Obama, October 27, 2007
Well , so much for the 2 wars already in progress...Sure , what this country really needs right now is yet another one...NOT !
Do it for the world...And , our abbreviated 'posterity'...
Sure .
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Another approach would be to try and declare through the UN the entire area to be a nuclear weapon free zone.
Iran might just agree, provided than the plan includes disarming Israel ( and that they are subject to all the same treatys and provisions )
As well as a pledge, ( perhaps also subject to random international inspection ) that no foreign power will transit or deploy such weapons in the area... including the US Navy.
Also Kwicko, your pledge to nuke Iran would be better if you don't call them out by name, maybe it would be better to say " If any country conducts a first strike using nuclear arms, that country will receive an immediate response from the US " and perhaps somehow make it clear that includes Israel as well.
edit. maybe include the Russians in this, Putin is much more believable credibilty wise
Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists
Lets party like its 1939
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Well , so much for the 2 wars already in progress...Sure , what this country really needs right now is yet another one...NOT !
On that we seem to be in complete agreement.
I'd like to hear proposals for HOW we're supposed to pay for any Iran war before we start laying out invasion plans.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
This is a non-starter. We know it. Iran knows it. As I said above, if we aren't outright HELPING them (behind the scenes, of course, and oh so deniably), we're sure as hell turning a bit of a blind eye to it, because we know, and they KNOW we know, that we're not going to do much of shit about it. We're not in a position to. And sanctions are pretty much useless, because China is one of Iran's main trading partners, and doesn't really give a flip whether Iran gets a nuclear weapon or not, and isn't about to turn down their money in the meantime.
My fearless prediction? Iran gets the bomb within five years, and we don't nuke them and they don't nuke anyone. And life goes on.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Another approach would be to try and declare through the UN the entire area to be a nuclear weapon free zone.
Iran might just agree, provided than the plan includes disarming Israel ( and that they are subject to all the same treatys and provisions )
As well as a pledge, ( perhaps also subject to random international inspection ) that no foreign power will transit or deploy such weapons in the area... including the US Navy.
Ooh, nice one. I'd actually like to see the US start decommissioning its nuclear arsenal myself, it'd be a good show of trust that might convince the rest of the world to begin to disarm. Most nations who have nukes or want them do so because they're US allies or because they're intimidated by all the US nukes.
Besides, if we're that concerned about people taking advantage, we don't have to do it all at once.
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Iran is not about to go in for Jihad, it's a civilized country, and it has a right to self determination, I have to say Frem is so on target I wonder sometimes why I even post.
If we want them to not have nukes, they hey, nuclear disarmament begins at home. Also, here's a novel idea, instead of investing trillions in war, we could invest some cash in a system that actually stops incoming missiles, perhaps directly after lunch. Err... I mean "launch." That would be a disincentive to have nukes: If someone could intercept them on launch. Ouch.
But, no, it's their business, they elected their govt, which they seem happy with. And why not? It's not *them* who are bogged down in a pointless endless war.
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Iran is not about to go in for Jihad, it's a civilized country, and it has a right to self determination, I have to say Frem is so on target I wonder sometimes why I even post.
Dream - You're right, of course. To say that "they" are a bunch of Jihadis (or Mujahideen) is to lump all of a nation into one belief. It's like saying that "we" are a christian nation. We're not, and we're not a nation of bible-thumping backwards fundamentalists, any more than Iran is. There ARE some bad people there, and there ARE some bad people holding power, but that can be said here as well. Clinton was a disaster according to some, and Bush was a disaster according to every single person on the planet (except for MAYBE "Hero"), yet here they were, fingers on The Button, and yet somehow we manage to still be here, unnuked and more or less intact. How can that be?
So let 'em have their nukes. Let 'em know that THEY are completely, 100% responsible for everything that happens with those nukes. (I rather highly doubt that you're going to get Israel to dismantle its nuclear program, no matter how vociferously they might insist that no one else in the region be allowed parity.)
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Mike,
yes, and one more point that I want to make very clearly, and my apologies for using words like "civilized" because it could cast an unintended comparison:
Iran is a first world nation. People don't get that. When we talk about Afghanistan, it's like talking about Somalia: Fascinating people, culture, and interesting problems that need solving, one way or another; but no one is ever going to be under the illusion that they are a united people under one system as a solid nation state.
When I made the comment in a recent thread about my friend saying that the Ayatollah was doing a good job of keeping a lid on the religious nutcases, I thought it was thought-provoking, and not the perspective I would have thought, but it's like a catholic country, they have a religious leader, and he really mediates between the clergy and their flock, and the progressive society, keeping the burqas at bay as it were.
But there's more things going on here:
In Afghanistan or even Pakistan or Iraq, or Arabian peninsular countries, a group of dissidents might raise a small army and attack a perceived threat, the way palestinian groups sometimes do. If someone in Iran wer to try to do that, they would be arrested for regular run of the mill crime. I remember a quote from the president regarding "political prisoners" in eastern Iran, and he said something to the effect of "yes, we had some political differences: They were in possession of 5 kilos of cocaine with intent to distribute, and three of them were wanted in connection with an attack on a school, so yes, I disagree with these people." But of course, they do have courts, etc.
But also, there are other factors to consider. We're not talking about a nation that has a nuclear program because someone sold them nukes on the black market, but because they have nuclear engineers capable of designing nukes.
Some details
GDP of some countries of more or less similar size
Spain $1.6 Trillion
Mexico $1.09 Trillion
Iran $385 billion
Ukraine $180 Billion
Congo $11.63 billion
Afghanistan $10 billion
# of universities students
Spain 1.5 million (of 46 million)
Mexico 2.3 million (of 111 million)
Iran 3.5 million (of 74 million)
Ukraine 2.5 million (of 46 million)
Congo 10 thousand? (of 66 million)
Afghanistan 5 thousand? (of 28 million)
Couldn't find good figures on students for the last two, those came from random pages. Any more accurate figures appreciated.
Most popular topics of study in Iran
1. Chemistry
2. Medicine
3. Engineering
4. Physics
Iran ranks first in number of engineers, second is Germany. Sobering, eh?
That said, there are other factors to take into consideration. The last time the US invaded a sovereign power was earlier this year, when we crossed into Pakistan. The last time Iran did, IIRC, it was Sparta, and we're still making movies about it ;)
And, of course, no discussion of "the nuclear threat" can be complete without a list of who has used atomic weapons against whom, but oh, we already know that.
So yes you're correct, both our country and theirs has a vocal religious extremist minority, but they're not about to take over the country, in spite of what it may look like: They're being placated by their govts, just as our presidents always have to thump the bible and tout their loyalty to God. Some of us want to say: Hey. God didn't elect you. We did. Ah well.
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Iran ranks first in number of engineers, second is Germany. Sobering, eh?
They also own a bunch of Denny's restaurants.
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