Life found on Moon.
POSTED BY: Bytemite
UPDATED: Friday, August 16, 2024 15:24
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Hello,
I do mind the personal attacks. The Death to Obama Supporters, The anti-Jew stance. The racism on every level.
On the issue of Skepticism, I appreciate valid skepticism as a tool to science and discovery. I appreciate people who calmly and logically question the data presented to them. People who analyze it for quality of content.
Yup, and yup again.
I don't mind "skepticism", but there's a difference between being a skeptic and being completely in denial. If you're a skeptic, you can learn and be convinced; if you're in denial, you can't. Ever. Every piece of evidence just builds the walls between you and reality ever-higher. This is PN's stance: not "skeptic", but "denier". Deniers aren't people to be reasoned with; they're to be mocked. Of course, PN would have those who refuse to think his way KILLED, but we're not really about that, are we?
Case in point - Anthony and I disagree about a great many things. On these issues, we're both skeptical of each other's beliefs and methods. But neither of us will outright DENY that other beliefs and methods EXIST. We disagree about the efficacy of them, not the existence of them. And from there, we can actually have a discussion, and if we're very lucky, we can both learn something from each other.
Mike
Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde
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Snowball Earth still bugs me. It would destroy photosynthetic life, and this would cause increased co2 production, and I think that probably runs the ice age cycle, I think that a biological cycle would stop before it reached that extreme and reverse.
You have a cycle on that snowball earth?
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Photosynthetic life probably WAS destroyed, except in pockets near surface around hot spots.
Besides, the thinking is not so much COMPLETELY frozen so much as it was "slushy in the tropics."
And yeah, there were multiple ones.
Within each event there are geologic deposits that show some signs of cyclical oxygen depletion and accumulation.
Between events, there does not appear to be any cyclical cause: there's about three spaced a few million years apart, but they're almost a billion years later than the first, earlier one, with nothing in between. What I've heard, some sort of extinction event is thought to have triggered the later ones. The organization of the continents (then grouped together) may have been what made it possible, and maybe I shouldn't say that it seems that organisms DROVE the snowball earth effect, but that there seems to be cyclical oxygen depletion and accumulation that could be caused by photosynthesizing organisms.
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As to water on the moon; I'm with Byte, I think it's exciting. May prove to be nothing, but I think it's cool to contemplate the possibility.
On the issue of Skepticism, Quote:
says it for me. I disagree PN is a skeptic, or that he's providing ANY service to this forum, particularly the latter because I don't believe he intends a "service", I think this is just one (or the ONLY one) of the websites he hasn't been kicked off of yet, and he enjoyes wallowing in his own kind of sickness--not to mention the attention it engenders.
I appreciate valid skepticism as a tool to science and discovery. I appreciate people who calmly and logically question the data presented to them. People who analyze it for quality of content.
Anthony, I disagree with Quote:
I'd say it was more "I will fail to assimilate any new information that contradicts my CHOSEN beliefs"--most of PN's beliefs aren't "old" information, they're totally "screwed" information which never existed in the first place.
I will fail to assimilate any new information that contradicts my old beliefs
Personally, I'm just sick of him, period.
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I think PN posts a fair percent of the interesting new topics. True, he misses more often than he hits, but he fires a lot.
As for why he's here, we are one of his audiences. I think he harms his message with his message, but in terms of waking people up to issues, he does a good job.
I'd say Frem definitely takes the top spot in this regard. Byte also has win a prize for most influential nee poster, she had me researching water table contamination in Nevada, among a dozen other things.
Sorry guys, but here are a few just fail, and who might work on it, you know who you are, you're failing to waken people to your political issue. If you don't get a lot of interest in your issue, it's probably something in the nature of delivery, etc.
It ain't a popularity contest, it's just a matter of a lot of people raise issues, and some people get other people interested in those issues. Not saying that the rest of y'all don't occasionally send me googling, but I watch the overall response, and whether or not people get concerned about their issues, or research their topics.
Here's a tip for everyone:
Don't attack a perp, try instead, to defend a victim. That's what Frem does. He defends kids, a lot, he doesn't spend a lot of time attacking abusive parents, or parents in general, or educators or other authority figures, even if he feels that these people are the real problem.
Wulf could have brought up gang violence as a problem, and focused on minority victims of that problem, to get people interested in the issue.
Pirate News could have focused more on the victims of economic imperialism, rather than attacking jews.
In short, we could all do a better job, and this is precisely what makes this forum interesting: We learn from each other. Not just information, but we learn *how* to get out point across, how to communicate effectively.
Consider RWED a perpetual Hell week of communications skills.
And, just for kicks, a lot of folks here have some bee in their bonnet, so,, let it out, put down that whackamole hammer for the moment, and try to construct a thread that will get people really interested in one of your issues.
Expect to fail, but do it anyway. Then try again. Study other posters, see what they do that is effective. Keep trying until you succeed.
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Byte also has win a prize for most influential nee poster, she had me researching water table contamination in Nevada, among a dozen other things.
One of the more interesting occurrences during the pipeline issue was hearing your attack ideas, then later watching as people used the tactics you were recommending. It was a very useful learning experience, though I didn't make much avail of myself.
Of course someone needs to still drive a stake through that thing, because while it's been strangled, if I take my eye off it for a second, it's bound to come back. At least the population has turned against Representative Noel, but I'm going to be on the look-out for when a "new" deal is hashed out and released. If I get in on it from the beginning, and now that I'm more familiar with potential allies, I might be able to make more of a difference.
Besides, this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the building water rights war in the west, and the issue of big money versus people's livelyhoods. Affects everyone in the region, all the mountain states, Nevada and California. And that's not even touching the fight building on the Snake and Columbia Rivers. Ouch.
At this point I'm wondering if the ultimate solution for the desert region is eventually going to be everyone builds themselves a drinking water cistern, kills their lawn, and forego showers. In any case, the only sensible action now is to manage groundwater and only draw it from the aquifers AT the location it's being used.
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Wasn’t Sam Rockwell on the moon not that long ago? Lets ask him…..
Z
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Right before the explosion there seems to be a gigantic toad-monster glaring out awaiting the impact, much like the asteroid-inhabitant in Empire Strikes Back.
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Originally posted by piratenews:
Enhanced video shows LCROSS impact plume:Quote:
Oct 13, 1999: The controlled crash of NASA's Lunar Prospector spacecraft into a crater near the south pole of the Moon on July 31 produced no observable signature of water, according to scientists digging through data from Earth- based observatories and spacecraft such as the Hubble Space Telescope.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast13oct99_1.htm
I think the conflation of Lunar Prospector with LCROSS ten years later is sorta funny , and somewhat suspect , as well...
You know , a survey spacecraft landing in Atacama might find that there's 'no water' on Earth , but there are also
a lot of spots where it could sink deep into the drink before reporting any positive results...
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I think PN posts a fair percent of the interesting new topics. True, he misses more often than he hits, but he fires a lot.
Was also Michael Jordan's methodology with basketball...
One is guaranteed to miss with 100% of shots not taken...
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
As for why he's here, we are one of his audiences. I think he harms his message with his message, but in terms of waking people up to issues, he does a good job.
Also true...A well-reasoned and intentioned response , D-T .
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