Michael Moores' F 9/11... will you see it?

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
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GHOULMAN

Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:03 PM

JCOBB ... Highjacking a thread again?

Fuck off asshole. You're right wing opinion has already been made apparent by YOUR numourous posts on this one thread alone. One or two is enough.

Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you get to shit on every line people post online. That's called being an obnoxious little pisser.

CAOILTE

Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:02 PM

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If Michael Moore was SO concerned about free speech, (instead of making a buck) why doesn't he release it free of charge on the internet, or why doesn't he spend a bit of his own wealth to get it out to the "people."

ooooooh. i hate people who say this. It's so hypocritical. Apparently you can't be interested in free speech AND making a buck folks. That's right, only people interested in state oppression AND making a buck allowed beyond this point.

I absolutely never said that. But if he couldn't get a distrubitor, as he earlier claimed, (before getting picked up, of course) and he was so apparently concerned about "getting his message out," (thats why he was pushing for a PG-13 rating on his movie) then there are multiple avenues available to him. I think Moore likes feeling like a victim. He likes thinking that he's the little guy standing up to the big guy (personally I think that title would have to go to Michael Wilson).

Hell, Moore's not a poor peasant, not capable of publishing himself. Its not that difficult for a guy who has as much money as he does.

I am also sorry you hate me for this.

I don't care, I'm still free.

multiple avenues???
There are not multiple avenues if he wants as many people as possible to be able to SEE the film.

You may be prepared to download a movie off the internet (should it be freely distributable) but as Firefly has shown it doesn't help the whole world see it.

And I would hope you'd want a man's films to be distributed the same way regardless of whether he was a millionaire or had no money. It's ignorant to think that just because a man has some money he can form a distribution/production company worth tens of millions of dollars more than he is overnight, and hypocritical to demand it.

shame on you.

GHOULMAN

Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:07 PM

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Originally posted by Tallgrrl:

I don't care, I'm still free...

What jcobb means by this is that he can be free and he doesn't care if other people aren't.

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well, at least for the time being. Seems that there are some people running this country that want to put a stop to that.

Moores film, right. I'm with ya there. I've noticed at least 5 new websites that have sprung up overnight to debunk Moore. Well, Moores facts have panned out from Colombine so he has a great record on facts. Also, the facts disputed seem a little early as the movie isn't even released yet!

Debunking is easy. That's why the Right Wing Movementarians (*chuckle* whatever) will say anything and put up money to debunk one little movie made by a fat guy from Michigan. Shows what cowards the people on the Right Wing are.

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Actually Michael Moore loves this country very deeply and is appalled, like I am, by the direction its so-called "leaders" are taking it.
If someone you love is acting in a boorish behaviour, don't you tell them? If you love them you do.

VERY eloquently put.

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There are people who are actually trying to get this movie banned. Let's call them the Movie Nazis. What I want to know is what are they afraid of?

A fat guy from Michigan. lol!

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Moore isn't telling tales out of school. And he's not lying. (The lying has been done by Bush Incorporated and his cronies.)
Moore's information isn't from "Deep Throat". It's public record, news reports, and stuff that people SHOULD have been paying attention to all along.

This is why the Right Wing Movement is afraid. Since they can't fight back with the truth they just "debunk"... a dirty trick your sure not to hear about on CNN but for the rest of us in the world who aren't stuck with the lieing USA media we get another perspective. The one where people have respect for one another.

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It's never been a secret about the Bush connections to Saudi oil. It's never been a secret that Bush Jr was a below average student, his way paved by his Daddy and Daddies cronies (most recently the Supreme Court), it's never been a secret that we have a moron in the White House. The world is in on that little secret.
You're free to not see this movie.
I should be free to see it. And I plan to.
If the Powers that Be have nothing to hide, then this movie should have as wide a distribution as the fictional stuff that's in the movieplexes.

"Take me, sir. Take me hard."

BRAVO! Nice post. See how you are attacked for having a merely common sense opinion? It's because you aren't a moron (like GWB) that the Right must attack you and make you feel bad for having a brain. For actually thinking, you will be punished. And in the words of the President of the USA... "you are against us".

But you're obviously not against America. Certainly nor is Moore. But let's keep in mind just how serious this may all become in the years to follow.

This movie is just the beginning.

Oh, and any "debunking" will be met, however it takes time and effort. That's the Right Wing Liars advantage...time. But, the Moore web site has already addressed a few of the more outrageous lies... check it out!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Thanks for you post. I hope others aren't afriad to post here for fear of being stalked by someone who only wishes to highjack this thread (an old Net trick). Thanks!

TRAGICSTORY

Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:09 PM

Ghoulman,

You seriously are an ass.

If someone wants to rant, reply or type as much as he wants on this thread he is allowed to. Where do you get off swearing at him because he disagrees with you? (Followed by a long post where you cut and paste people's messages you agree with.)

Freedom of speech aplies to everyone, even those you disagree with.

Don't like his opinions? Skip his posts. God knows I'm ignoring your's from now on.

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SUCCATASH

Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:44 PM

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Is that your entire political stance? "Bush sucks". Are you over twelve?

Are you? Too bad you don't like my opinion. Too bad I didn't write a novel. Get over it.

GHOULMAN

Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:41 PM

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Ghoulman,

You seriously are an ass.

If someone wants to rant, reply or type as much as he wants on this thread he is allowed to. Where do you get off swearing at him because he disagrees with you? (Followed by a long post where you cut and paste people's messages you agree with.)

Freedom of speech aplies to everyone, even those you disagree with.

Don't like his opinions? Skip his posts. God knows I'm ignoring your's from now on.

Highjacking a thread is a common cyber crime on BBS forums newbie. If you don't know the rules online, rtfm pal.

People want to talk about Moore and his movie... but you don't want people to do that it seems. You support a guy who makes post after post to every last person who HE doesn't agree with. A person who has shown consistant rudeness and demonstrates a completely obnoxious manner.

All he has to do is post his opinion... but he isnt' doing that. He's attacking every other persons opinion in an attempt to kill any thread HE doesn't like. That's called "highjacking a thread". RTFM!

And you throw that accusation back at me?

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:07 PM

JCobb-

Oh wow, so you're a libertarian! You like minimal government and personal responsibility? OK, let's see... how has dubya decreased government inteference in YOUR life???

Well, he's made warrantless searches MUCH easier.

He's working pretty seriously on ridding us of those onerous Miranda rights- I mean, interferences.

He and the Secret Service will allow you to have all the free anti-Bush speech you want- but not on public sidewalks in plain view of the cameras. They have these nice chainlink-fenced, faraway places for ppl like me.

He's made it extremely difficult for you to find out what your government has done/ is doing. Ashcroft instructed staff to stonewall FOIA requests, Cheney claims to have information that he didn't give to the 9/11 Commission, records of past Presidents who approved release have been sealed. Transparency!

He wants to get in bed between consenting adults.

Oh, and between a woman and her doctor.

He's REQUIRED high schools to send lists of graduating seniors to recruitment officers.

He (and his brother and the Supremes) have invalidated voter registrations of tens of thousands of law-abiding citizens.

He's expanded the budget deficit so that not only will WE pay for it, but so will our kids- and maybe their kids too.

Well, hell- but he's made life MUCH easier for the very wealthy and for coporations. THAT should be worth something, right???

So, that must be where your heart REALLY is- with the big corporations. Scratch a Libertarian lightly and you usually find a coporate-kisser underneath.

RUE

Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:38 PM

Vilavon,

Was that comment directed at me? Why do you presume to know why I would see any movie? Isn't idle curiosity one possible reason?

I go out of my way to be informed in general - to read original reports, papers, laws, and documents, rather than depend on media stylings. Why should I not get informed about this?

MANIACNUMBERONE

Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:50 PM

I've already seen the footage for this movie. So have you if you watch the news. It's a lot of quotes and political position statements from George Bush and others followed by more quotes and statements that generally refute the first quotes.

Michael Moore took his movie footage from actual video footage broadcasted on tv. He didn't make the president say any lines, so it doesn't seem as though anyone has any reason to get mad at him... unless they are angry that he is showing it at all... because it's painting the Bush administration in an unfavorable light.

Those angry people should be angry at Bush for doing the things he did, not at Mr. Moore for collecting and showcasing the President's actions into a 2-hr media event. Had the President done nothing questionable, would there be anything questionable to show? I can't say as there would.

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Inara: Who's winning?
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JCOBB

Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:14 PM

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JCobb-

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Oh wow, so you're a libertarian! You like minimal government and personal responsibility? OK, let's see... how has dubya decreased government inteference in YOUR life???

For the record I do not like Dubya. I did not vote for him. That said, I don't think a propoganda film based on lies and misrepresentation is the "way" to go. Personally I won't be voting for either Bush or Kerry, this coming up election. Will probably do a write in, like I did last election.

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Well, he's made warrantless searches MUCH easier.

Talking about the Patriot Act? Do you really want to shoulder Bush for the blame for that? I mean, its not like the Democrats had NOTHING to do with it, right?

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He's made it extremely difficult for you to find out what your government has done/ is doing. Ashcroft instructed staff to stonewall FOIA requests, Cheney claims to have information that he didn't give to the 9/11 Commission, records of past Presidents who approved release have been sealed. Transparency!

Welcome to Washington. Thats what happens there, bud. Forget the president in power, or his political leanings, this is what happens there. It was built on a swamp, and not a whole lot has changed.

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Oh, and between a woman and her doctor.

And he sees it as murder, I don't know if I disagree with Bush on this one. Like I said, I am a libertarian, I believe in personal accountability. When she had sex, (its PROCREATION FOR PETES SAKE) there was always the chance of her getting pregnant. When she did, she still has rights, but so does the unborn child within her. Action, reaction. She must be ready to accept the consequences of her actions. She can have as much freedom as she likes, but when it starts impeding on the child's rights, (LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness where the unalienable ones IIRC) she loses all rights as far as I am concerned.

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He (and his brother and the Supremes) have invalidated voter registrations of tens of thousands of law-abiding citizens.

The convicts, the dead 'folks, and perhaps one or two of those legally able to vote. If you think that Bush is the only one abusing or misusing that right you are sadly mistaken.

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So, that must be where your heart REALLY is- with the big corporations. Scratch a Libertarian lightly and you usually find a coporate-kisser underneath

I love the hatred of the "faceless" corporation. Damn those bastards! Damn the ones that seek to achieve something with their lives, to reach out and grab that American Dream! Damn them from employing Americans, for giving them work, for giving them benefits! Those bastards!

Company's are made up of individuals. Individuals have rights.

Again, I don't know where you get most of the stuff you posted about me, (assumptions?) but I don't appreciate it.

Now, maybe you approve of the leftist agenda? Perhaps you wish to take away my right to keep and bear arms? Perhaps you wish to comprimise national security by putting someone in the Whitehouse that isn't willing to take steps that might not be popular, but that will make a difference, (this isn't a reference to Bush, persay). So, while we are getting off on tangents and making assumptions, you're heart must really lie with the terrorists, and their disrupting our way of life. (Sorry, had to be a right winger there for Ghoulman. HINT *Don't take this seriously*)

Anyways, good to know that Ghoulman shows his true colors. He hates the freedom of speech, he hates those that don't share his views, and he resorts to name calling and presumptions when he can not backup his claims.

I am also sorry that I "hijacked" this thread. I did not realize discussion about the same subject, only from a different perspective was now termed as hijacking. I am also sorry that a comprehensive response to people's post makes me an obnoxious pisser, (or even when I just post links, but you wouldn't know anything about that, right G

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