Monsters.
POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 26, 2026 20:52
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It's actually pretty good, one of the first (and at this point, I think only) graphic novels to actually be awarded any literary awards.
But, I imagine you have a lot of other stuff you'd rather read first, so I don't hold it against you. :)
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We won't hold it against you, but there may be stern looks. Just so you know.
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Sig, was your Quote:
actually in response to Wulf's
Wulf, Go back to my most previous post.... you're near to being full-on delusional. You may be a danger to those closest to you, particularly your wife. Please get help before you hurt someone.Quote:
I find that confusing...unless I'm missing something, he seemed to be expressing the same emotions I feel about that sentence.
"The victim of last weekend's attack ...whose friends say had been looking forward to the homecoming dance for weeks." This makes me want to scream and cry at the same time.
DT: No, around here people actually DON'T feed the wildlife...intentionally that is. Can't count the bandits ('coons) getting at some pet's food bowl...etc. Marin is a strangely savvy place when it comes to animals; very pro-pet, more pro-controlling-your-pet than many places; and very "leave the wildlife alone". I've never seen or heard of anyone feeding wildlife, and I've been here thirty-some years.
Of course doesn't count backyard wildlife; I put out squirrel, hummer and bird food (but as long as I do it consistently, don't think it harms anything, the squirrels don't overpopulate and we need all the birds we can get, as the one thing where there still ARE idjits is keeping cats in--backyard bird predation has affected the population).
None of which has anything to do with the topic at hand, except to say I can't locate the coyote thread, so if you know where it is, I'd be grateful.
Wulf, I THINK I know what you're intimating with Quote:
but I can't see how that would be a liberal's nightmare. It's certainly not mine...I think you're assuming without understanding on that one--or just lashing out.
The worst nightmare of most liberals (sorry) is a white boy taught in the streets and the ghettos of our country.
Byte'n'all: I haven't read Watchmen either, but my excuse is I don't read graphic novels (except for V for Vendetta, originals of which I got but haven't read past the first one). So scorn away, dear, to your heart's content, s'okay by me 
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Nik,
someone always will. Every county has its free tibet crowd
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NIKI: My advice to Wulf was about the entire content of his posts here. The point about being delusional was addressed to his comments about being a librul's worst nightmare (heh) and his ideas about intervening in a situation against 15 people. Wulf IS a bomb looking for a place to go off. He's a gang-banger at heart- his solution is STILL murder and mayhem. He grinds on his rage every day, looking for someone to hurt. The only thing he's done is change his intended victims in a way that makes his rage feel justified. And he wants us to rage along with him so he can feel even more accepted, and is disappointed when some of us don't.
What I suggested still holds- I think he needs to find some poor beaten-down dog and love it back to happiness. Or something. That rage - especially if he still sees it as the answer and keeps looking for an excuse to fan it into white-heat every day- is going to get him into deep, deep trouble. He will prolly wind up doing something he really regrets which he can never undo, in addition to landing him in jail (which will be the least of his troubles). He may not see it that way, but that's the problem.
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Signy: Yup, agreed on all of it.
And Wulf, DO find a dog to rescue. You might be amazed when you discover that the dog is actually rescuing YOU.
Mike
Let the wild rumpus start!
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Wulf had a question which nobody has addressed How can we keep it from happening again?. In a burst of irony, I think Wulf's solution to violence is to arm all the students and kill all the gang-bangers. Of course, I have a different set of solutions. But right now I'm too busy to finish that thought...
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So, to get back to the topic. I know Wulf will find my ideas to be "fuzzy-headed liberalism", but here goes....
You have to deal with the problems multi-generationally. And you have to do it all at once, because if you focus on one age group they will with time be influenced by the others anyway.
But it boils down to: JOBS. OWNERSHIP. EDUCATION. DRUG TREATMENT. COUNSELING. MEDICAL CARE. Until and unless you feel invested in your neighborhood and your life, you will not work to improve... anything.
For some, jail is the only solution. There are different levels of participation in gangs. Most kids join for self-protection. But all gangs have enforcers and recruiters; peeps who are crazier than shithouse rats. Once those enforcers are gone, the gang falls apart.
We need to legalize pot. And we need to so something about our endemic drug problem, which creates the market which feeds the gangs.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Wulf had a question which nobody has addressed How can we keep it from happening again?. In a burst of irony, I think Wulf's solution to violence is to arm all the students and kill all the gang-bangers. Of course, I have a different set of solutions. But right now I'm too busy to finish that thought...
Well, you could have 24-hour surveillance and live in a police state. That would probably curb crime a bit. But as I understand it, you don't want that, do you, Wulfie?
Sad to say, but part of the "freedom" you want for all of us involves the freedom for monsters to behave as monsters. We can't necessarily PREVENT this from ever happening again, at least not without severely curtailing the rights of everyone in the process. About the best we can hope for, it seems, is to punish the wrongdoers afterwards. Unless you're a big believer in punishing people for the crimes they MIGHT commit in the future. Are you?
Mike
Let the wild rumpus start!
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No, Kwick.
This is about a group of (and forgive me for not being able to call them human) PREDATORS/ANIMALS/NONHUMANS, raping a girl for HOURS. While some of the same evil animals stood by and watched.
It's an interesting thing that we do, isn't it? Dehumanising people when they do abhorrent things. The issue that we can't seem to face is that they are human, same as you or I, they bleed, they hurt, they have emotions.
Made me dig out an interesting article.
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Criminals are abused children, lost as adults
The perpetrators of crime are victims too, says author John Marsden.
These days we have all the sympathy in the world for abused children. We weep for their loss of innocence. We understand how it is that many (in some cases all) of the pillars of their lives have been knocked out from under them. We support them with counselling and care. That's how it's supposed to work anyway. In many cases it does work like this.
Almost in the same breath we denounce child abusers. We call them scum, filth, animals, monsters. We talk about how they should be castrated, locked up for life, executed. "If I could get my hands on those mongrels. . ."
At the extreme are those terrible scenes ofhysterical adults surrounding a police wagon containing a child molester and rocking it backwards and forwards, or the mob attacking the house of a child molester who has been released from prison.
One of the ways we justify this rage is by telling ourselves and each other that we are showing our solidarity with the abused children. But one of the truths about this complex issue is that the abused child for whom we show such support, and the child abuser for whom we show such hatred and contempt, are the same person.
We claim to feel love for the abused child but when, inevitably, some abused children grow up and start acting out the consequences of their abuse, we react to them with rage and hatred.
That abused child who has had the pillars of his life knocked out from under him will, without support and understanding, grow up continuing to feel frightened and lost. To allay these feelings, he may try to recreate any situation in which he felt "held", and these may include encounters where he was literally held, as he was beaten, or seduced into a sexual encounter.
It is impossible for a loved, secure person to commit a serious crime.
At those times, the adult created a little world that just the two of them inhabited, where all other concerns ceased to exist, and where the child, no matter how bizarrely, felt something like security. If, as an adult, that same child finds himself in a world that is frightening and insecure, a world in which he has no real connections with anyone, he may try to recreate those moments of illusionary security.
It's a difficult process to understand. And it's not an inevitable process. Many, perhaps most, people who are abused as children go on to lead secure and well-balanced lives, often because the abuse took place out of context.
In her book Banished Knowledge, Alice Miller referred to a survey of American prisoners that showed that about 90 per cent had been abused as children. She commented that the other 10 per cent would have been abused too - it was just that they had not yet been able to admit it.
The prisons of Australia are also full of abused children. Those same children whom we profess to care about when they are 10 or 12, but whom we stop caring about when they are 16 or 18.
All crime is illness. All those who commit serious crimes are ill. The more horrifying the crime, the greater the illness of the perpetrator. It is impossible for a loved, secure, happy person to commit a serious crime.
Shame on politicians who use "getting tough on law and order" as an election slogan. They are exploiting these abused children to gain power.
It would dramatically alter our society if we treated criminals as people with serious illnesses. We could do better by them, and we could do better foNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME