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Monsters.

POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
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WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 30, 2009 9:52 PM

The problem with you guys, is that I DO know what it sounds like.

YOU DON'T.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 30, 2009 9:54 PM

But nevermind.

Im done.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, October 30, 2009 10:24 PM

Wulf, while I don't believe all of it is justified, some of the folk who're giving you shit have a point in that your tactics do somewhat suck.

I've actually taken something of a pounding trying to break up what appeared to be an assault headed in the direction of rape, but was in fact a marital spat over infidelity - which got me roughed up by the both of em, mind you - it was stupid to intervene but I was young, proud and foolish - and I'd prolly do so again, but not charging in willy-nilly like that, oh hell no.

First, hell yes, call the cops - for all their flaws they're better armed and equipped, and have more manpower than you do.

Second, direct engagement is counterproductive when you are that badly outnumbered - being able to play on crowd pyschology is a skill you do not have and thus makes it a losing proposition and adds one more target - armed or not you can be quickly overwhelmed by folks too hopped up on mindbending substances or just wired on adrenalin rush who will not react in a logical fashion.

That doesn't mean you cannot intervene, it just means you need different tactics - as mentioned, the last thing you wanna be when the cops show up is in a position to be mistaken for an armed perp, that's bad bad news.

I woulda went and got my car, then while laying solid on the horn and highbeams, slowly rolled it towards them - an action with some risk involved, but also with a fast line of retreat, since if they deployed firearms or charged the vehicle you can slam it into reverse and make a J-turn, and if they DID pursue it splits them up and throws them off what they're doing - they're not likely to catch a car on foot, and as a calculated risk it's better than a headfirst engagement against superior numbers.

Also, one could run back into the school and pull the fire alarm, the more ruckus and racket you can throw at them, cast them into confusion while keeping a clear head yourself - that opens OPTIONS, it gives you that third line of thinking and enough of an edge to maybe be useful in a situation instead of escalating it.

Again, armed or not, the best weapon in a crisis is the one between your ears, not the one in your holster - that is for the last ditch defense of your person at short range and should never be used in an aggressive fashion whatever.

-Frem
There always has to be a price.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, October 30, 2009 10:35 PM

Actually Frem, that makes sense. Provided you have a car, and it can fit in the space needed.

SIGNYM

Friday, October 30, 2009 10:38 PM

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The problem with you guys, is that I DO know what it sounds like. YOU DON'T.

The girl may have been too drunk to fight back. Also, I heard a guy who saw a gang-rape where the girl was so positively outnumbered she just mentally checked out. Circumstances vary.

ETA: Oh, just saw that somneone posted with facts. She was nearly passed out from being drunk. If she's lucky, she won't remember the whole thing.

KWICKO

Friday, October 30, 2009 10:48 PM

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ETA: "I am just stunned by the things I continue to see you post, Wulf." GOOD. Because you should be. You should be horrified. You should WANT to do something about this.

So you're saying I should be stunned and horrified by your posts? And I should WANT to do something to about you posting them?

Curious.

KWICKO

Friday, October 30, 2009 10:52 PM

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First, hell yes, call the cops - for all their flaws they're better armed and equipped, and have more manpower than you do.

Not to mention the fact that in most instances, just them showing up is enough to break up most of the action. So that's one thing they're good for.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:42 AM

It's kind of weird how you are making this about gun laws.

In answer to some of your questions - I'd do anything i could to help the girl. Call 911 - actually 000, if it were here. Maybe I'd do more, drive at them with a car, head lights on full beam, horn blaring. I don't know... I'd like to think that I would NOT do nothing.

If I had a gun, I'd shoot warning shots. But I'll never own a gun. If everyone was armed, as per your vision of a glorious utopia, so would the perps, and you'd probably end up getting the girl (and yourself) killed in an Butch Cassidy type shootout. Not a great outcome.

I can't quite get at the core of your point. The perps (still alleged at this point) will receive harsh sentencing. The girl seems to be physically recovering at least. The community is stunned, outraged, ashamed. It's a shocking story, similar to one that is running in the news hear - only the perps (alleged) are members of a football club and there was 17 of them and two girls involved. It's terrible that it happens - but......?

NIKI2

Sunday, November 1, 2009 4:09 AM

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I woulda went and got my car, then while laying solid on the horn and highbeams, slowly rolled it towards them - an action with some risk involved, but also with a fast line of retreat, since if they deployed firearms or charged the vehicle you can slam it into reverse and make a J-turn, and if they DID pursue it splits them up and throws them off what they're doing - they're not likely to catch a car on foot, and as a calculated risk it's better than a headfirst engagement against superior numbers.

Also, one could run back into the school and pull the fire alarm, the more ruckus and racket you can throw at them, cast them into confusion while keeping a clear head yourself - that opens OPTIONS, it gives you that third line of thinking and enough of an edge to maybe be useful in a situation instead of escalating it.

Again, armed or not, the best weapon in a crisis is the one between your ears, not the one in your holster - that is for the last ditch defense of your person at short range and should never be used in an aggressive fashion whatever.

Well said, Frem. And thankx for the ideas, I'll keep them in mind (especially the car thing).

As to the incident itself, given it happened just across the San Rafael-Richmond Bridge, I'll add a bit. Richmond is not a safe city. It probably has the highest violence of any area in the Bay Area except some of the inner-city sections of SF and Oakland.

There are reasons for this. One is that, when people are incarcerated in Q (San Quentin), their families often move here to visit and be near them. Marin County is too expensive for most people, so a lot of them end up in Richmond, which is directly across the Bay. When the criminals are released, no matter where they were arrested/convicted, they are released here. The fact that we have such a VERY low violence rate here in Marin and Richmond has such a high one pretty much says where they go--especially if family has settled there.

It's a place we have to drive through to go to Oakland, Berserkeley, etc., and we don't get out of our cars. Drive-by shootings, shootings out in the open on the streets, are not unusual. It's a poor, dangerous area. Unfortunately, that means the people there are trapped by financial necessity in a dangerous place, and yes, there is violence in the schools. I don't know how they prevent it; given the poverty of the area, the schools don't have big budgets and I would imagine after-school activities are limited.

Sadly, too, the idea of a bunch of people watching and doing nothing isn't unthinkable...remember it happened to that woman in, New York was it?, years ago. Mob mentality exists and is all too easy to incite, and in Richmond, I have no doubt few would stand up and try to do something. Calling the police is a rational action, but in Richmond, also, the police are not trusted. Young people today live in a world which didn't exist in my time; the rules are different, the mentality is different.

There are lots of guns in Richmond, another reason for the high crime rate. Go ahead and say what you will about people owning guns to protect themselves; in that atmosphere, guns are used far more for things other than self-protection. Walking around Richmond at night with or without a gun is pretty dumb.

That's the atmosphere where it happened, beyond that I know nothing about the particular school; additionally, yes, alcohol no doubt did contribute...when life feels trapped in poverty and crime, alcohol is part of the equation, contributes to inhibition, violence and mob mentality.

I wish I'd been around; if I'd known Frem's suggestion of using a car, I would have. And called 911. I'd like to think many people would, but I've never heard the car suggestion before, and I certainly wouldn't have tried to do anything otherwise, even with a gun--certainly not a rifle; as has been pointed out, that's so dumb as to be silly. An anonymous call to the police would have been nice (but pulling fire alarms would be danger

SIGNYM

Sunday, November 1, 2009 2:11 PM

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The problem with you guys, is that I DO know what it sounds like. YOU DON'T.

You're trying to incite us all into a blind killing/ suicidal rage (yanno, the kind that you experience, the kind that you nurture and relive over and over again via video). The problem with you, Wulf, is that you never really stopped being a gang member. You just changed allegiances, isall: Found a new set of "bad guys" to wipe out, a different reason to rage, a new set of laws to violate, and now you're trying to create your own "gang".

You asked how this could be prevented in the future. "This" basically means acting violently, without empathy for another human being. In other words, acting like you. So the answer is : I dunno, why don't you tell us?

I'm gonna play armchair psychiatrist: Wulf, before you do anything else, you must come to a forgiving resolution of yourself. Instead of watching violent videos, get a beaten down dog, one that snarls and snaps at everyone who walks by, and love it back to happiness. See a psychiatrist who specializes in PTSD. Do whatever it takes to get the poison of rage out of your system because you're a danger to everyone who is close to you- particularly your wife. What you feel, while completely understandable, is not an answer. Please, get help.