Michael Moores' F 9/11... will you see it?

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TERRIBLETINK

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JCobb:

I think Michael Moore brilliantly illustrates just how stupid other people can be, (at least those that take everything he says at face value).

I though Fox News illustrated that a loooong time ago.

Look, in the world of political persuasion, almost all facts and events are open to interpretation. The truth is that no one, liberal or conservative, should take anyone's messages at 100% face value.

TERRIBLETINK

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JCobb:

I think Michael Moore brilliantly illustrates just how stupid other people can be, (at least those that take everything he says at face value).

I though Fox News illustrated that a loooong time ago.

Look, in the world of political persuasion, almost all facts and events are open to interpretation. The truth is that no one, liberal or conservative, should take anyone's messages at 100% face value.

TERRIBLETINK

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JCobb:

I think Michael Moore brilliantly illustrates just how stupid other people can be, (at least those that take everything he says at face value).

I though Fox News illustrated that a loooong time ago.

Look, in the world of political persuasion, almost all facts and events are open to interpretation. The truth is that no one, liberal or conservative, should take anyone's messages at 100% face value.

JCOBB

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:35 PM

Well, thanks for that, but the number of posts was a little excessive, dontcha think?

I don't care, I'm still free.

JCOBB

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:27 PM

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102725/

So much for your much vaunted freedom of speech.

"We seem to love rabble-rousers of all political stripes. But if Moore is going to bash Bush as a liar and ridicule the news media as lap dogs, his case needs to be airtight. When you're a fearless muckraker, you look awfully silly stomping around with big gobs of mud on your own shoes."

http://moorelies.com/news/specials/latimes_moore.cfm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/shapiro/2004-06-15-hype
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Even more liberal papers aren't taking Moore seriously.

Go see the movie, I just might, but again, take it with a grain of salt.

I don't care, I'm still free.

WINTERFELL

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:31 PM

@ jcobb

I have no clue what you do for a living, but I have a leg in the music business.. now.. mostly I talk to independent distributors, small labels, underground bands.. this is pretty much do what ever you want because you are small potatoes and no one knows you.

However, I can tell you for a fact that if you are signed with any major record label you are not to be rocking the boat.. especially against bush. some labels (Warner bros. I know specifically) have halted the production on a number of albums by various artists who had anti-bush lyrics or were openly opposed to the war in Iraq. I for one abhor censorship in any media, and there is more going on behind the scenes than alot of folks understand.. just because yer paranoid don't mean, yadda yadda...

you can feel free to bash me because "I don't get out much", asshole, but you don't know me, and I wasn't even addressing you until now.

JCOBB

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:43 PM

Erm, it is well within the rights of a company to not fund something if they do not wish to be affiliated with it. Forcing a company to do something in the name of "freedom of speech" is, infact, infringing on that companies freedom. I think its more then a little ironic that people can go and bash these companies for doing what they think is good for buisness, or even what they think is, "right."

I think that people need to learn to draw the line between state-sponsored censorship, and a company protecting its interests. There is, strangely enough, a difference, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

I do aplogize for the, "Don't know if you get out much..." comment, that was uncalled for. However, that said, this is an open forum, and, might it be too presumptuous for me to respond to post someone else has made?

I just find it odd that Moore is being praised for his *tough* stance on Bush. Like bashing Bush, or demonstrating/protesting is anything new, or noble. Its been done for YEARS! There is nothing new to it. Jon Stewart, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno all have been critical and satirical of President Bush at one time or another, (nevermind Al Frakin, Bill Maher, Al Gore, John Kerry, Richard Dean, the list goes on and on).

Anyways, I don't want to "bash you," I don't think thats the right way of doing things. Sorry if my first post came across as a bash, (I wanted it to be more of a friendly jab. )

I don't care, I'm still free.

HJERMSTED

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JCobb:
I just find it odd that Moore is being praised for his *tough* stance on Bush. Like bashing Bush, or demonstrating/protesting is anything new, or noble. Its been done for YEARS! There is nothing new to it. Jon Stewart, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno all have been critical and satirical of President Bush at one time or another, (nevermind Al Frakin, Bill Maher, Al Gore, John Kerry, Richard Dean, the list goes on and on).

All those mentioned above are comedians or members of the opposing political party (and Browncoats... everyone!

... well maybe not Gore so much). The people who SHOULD be informing us about GW Bush's shady dealings are the Dan Rathers, Peter Jennings and all the so-called 'journalists' of the american corporate media.

Call it censorship, conspiracy, plain old editor's choice or whatever you like... but U.S. mainstream news is dumbed way down for easy consumption and journalists seem to have had their teeth removed.

It is a damned sad thing that I have to read foreign newspapers online or, yes, watch comedy central to get my news. I think Jon Stewart would be the first person to tell you that his show is the 'fake news'.

Somebody PLEASE let the journalists off of their leashes so we can be informed by the real news.

mattro

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:22 PM

No, I'm not going to see it because I don't go to the movies to watch newsy documentaries. I use the TV for that.

I have no doubt of the atrocities of Saddam's government in Iraq, and I think it's a good thing that regime was ousted. However, I'm not completely supportive of the process used to justify the war.

Whatever happens, you can bet this thing ain't over by a long shot. If Kerry wins the election, we'll probably see demobilization of the troops. If Bush win, I wonder which middle-east country will be hit next.

We're in this thing for keeps now. Let's keep the military zones away from home.

RADHIL

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:23 PM

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Erm, it is well within the rights of a company to not fund something if they do not wish to be affiliated with it. Forcing a company to do something in the name of "freedom of speech" is, infact, infringing on that companies freedom. I think its more then a little ironic that people can go and bash these companies for doing what they think is good for buisness, or even what they think is, "right."

Entirely true. It's just a little... erm, disconcerting when every corporation seems to have the exact same mindset. Kinda difficult to have free speech when one group has all the megaphones.

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I just find it odd that Moore is being praised for his *tough* stance on Bush. Like bashing Bush, or demonstrating/protesting is anything new, or noble. Its been done for YEARS! There is nothing new to it. Jon Stewart, Conan O'Brien, Jay Leno all have been critical and satirical of President Bush at one time or another, (nevermind Al Frakin, Bill Maher, Al Gore, John Kerry, Richard Dean, the list goes on and on).

Your first group are all comics. They bash everyone. It's their job.

Your second group are all flaming democrats. They bash Republicans. It's their job.

Moore is a democrat, but with far less stake. And most Bush bashing - up until recent events - has been almost roundly denounced and even squashed as anti-American. An outlook that Bush and Co. have gone to great lengths to establish and maintain. Bush has been bashed for some time, but never by anyone who didn't already have pure bias, and otherwise only in quieter corners to the already convinced.

Or to put it in better perspective - I took a long walk around my town last year, just to see the sights. I passed by two houses with this sign in the window - "Support the Troops - Shoot a Protestor".

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