Dollhouse 2.04: Belonging - Sierra is forced to face her past. Post comments here.

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I'm more and more intrigued by Boyd too. His mysterious phone call "Get me the Goose, I need someone disappeared," hints at how he was morally compromised (look at the connections he has, and the almost Dexter-like lack of being horrified by sawing up a mutilated corpse).

I've said elsewhere (as have others) that Boyd is like Shepherd Book in quite a few ways, and I hope he doesn't get the Book treatment by having no background explained before the show is canceled...!

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Hopefully, we won't have to worry about being Book'd (or Inara'd for that matter). I think Whedon and Co. know that Season Three (or even the back nine) is not very likely, so we'll be getting a lot of background-y goodness as we go. Arguably, 2x04 was the start of some of that, in many, many ways.

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Originally posted by GWEK:
I think Whedon and Co. know that Season Three (or even the back nine) is not very likely. . .

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Actually, with what I presume are four evenings of back-to-back episodes in December, eight of those back nine are guaranteed broadcast -- which leaves one left over for a closer/epilogue.

Joss is faced with the same dillema JMS had with Babylon 5's fourth season -- how do you wrap up a projected multi-season story arc early? In that instance, the storyteller did too good a job, which is why B5's fifth season is generally considered the weakest of the run.

Joss seems to have learned a lesson from JMS's experience though -- "Epitaph One" was wonderfully open-ended, and seems to be informing every episode this season, yet left large storytelling spaces to fill in the event of renewal. And we shouldn't count a third season out just yet; who'd have expected we'd get a second, after all? As a Larry Niven character once said, "We're looking at this the wrong way -- there are a thousand things that could go right!"

"You see someone running incredibly fast - The first thing you gotta ask is 'Are they running to something or are they running from something?' The answer is always both." -- Topher Brink

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Originally posted by CellarDoor:
Ok, if Dollhouse skeptics are willing to give the show one more chance... I'm floored by the greatness and power of this episode.

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Hehe, you'll get the extra chance from me. :) This was the first time, after a long time, that I was impressed again with a Dollhouse episode!

Now that I've reconciled myself with the recent realization that Eliza Dushku can't act (looks cover up a multitude of sins), the acting was all the more made up for by Sierra! She was her best, alright! Man, I actually enjoyed the show!

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The only meh part about it was the slight speed with which Adelle and Topher developed a sense of conscience to the degree we see, but I realize Joss is doing what he can to advance the story with the limited episodes he may have remaining.

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I'd have to agree with Bytemite: they always had one. Adelle went into the business genuinely thinking she could help (and partially now, it seems, because of an as of yet unnamed indiscretion not involving Victor). And Topher's conscience was already made evident earlier, when it turned out he had programmed Dr. Saunders to hate him.

As for Jonathan Frakes, I usually go 'meh' about his Star Trek directing (a mite too moralizing); but the man delivered a top-notch performance today!


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Originally posted by RocketJock:

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Originally posted by GWEK:
I think Whedon and Co. know that Season Three (or even the back nine) is not very likely. . .

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Actually, with what I presume are four evenings of back-to-back episodes in December, eight of those back nine are guaranteed broadcast -- which leaves one left over for a closer/epilogue.

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I wasn't referring to the nine episodes that have not currently aired, but the nine episodes that have not currently been ordered.

A full season is (typically) 22 episodes. For an established show, the network will order a full season (all 22 episodes) when they renew. For a new show (or a show they're not confident in), they will often place an order of 13 episodes. If the show survives, they place an additional order for "the back nine", bringing it to a full season.

In this case, FOX has committed to 13 episodes for DOLLHOUSE and has stated that they will air them all (although given their track record, I won't believe it until they're aired).

What I meant as that the writers are likely approaching the 13 episodes as if they are the end of DOLLHOUSE. While anything can happen, it seems exceedingly unlikely that they will get renewed for Season Three, and almost as unlikely that FOX will give DOLLHOUSE the show of confidence of committing to an entire season (by ordering another 9 episodes).

As for what will or will not air in December, Miracle Laurie referred to "NEW back to back episodes for 3 weeks in December." That could mean 2 episodes "back to back" for three weeks (for a total of 6), or could be episodes on three "back to back" (or consecutive) weeks in December.

Either way, I'd say no more than 6 eps in December.

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Joss is faced with the same dillema JMS had with Babylon 5's fourth season -- how do you wrap up a projected multi-season story arc early? In that instance, the storyteller did too good a job, which is why B5's fifth season is generally considered the weakest of the run.

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Agreed. JMS spent all his best stuff on S4, leaving very little (unfortunately) for S5.

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Joss seems to have learned a lesson from JMS's experience though -- "Epitaph One" was wonderfully open-ended, and seems to be informing every episode this season, yet left large storytelling spaces to fill in the event of renewal. And we shouldn't count a third season out just yet; who'd have expected we'd get a second, after all? As a Larry Niven character once said, "We're looking at this the wrong way -- there are a thousand things that could go right!"

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You're right that it may be too early to count DOLLHOUSE out just yet--stranger things have happened... like the renewal for a second season!

As I've indicated, though, FOX would generally place an order of 9 more episodes for Season Two before renewing for S3 (although there have certainly been cases where a series has gone right from 13 to a new season). There is CURRENTLY nothing to indicate that they have any intention to do so (or, indeed, to do anything other than "burn off" the rest of the 13 episodes they've committed to--which FOX execs have admitted their doing "to avoid a repeat of FIREFLY." Honestly, if this were any creator but Whedon (or maybe whoever did JERICHO), I have a feeling it might have been cancelled already.

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