Michael Moores' F 9/11... will you see it?

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
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GHOULMAN

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:59 PM

Finally I'd seen M. Moores movies and I'm a great fan of his style and down-home American know-how. This guy is what the USA is all about, or should be.

I'd found this article that was rather well written in sentiment. I thought I'd post it here.
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Tue, June 22, 2004
Am-Bushed
Turns out peaceniks were the real patriots all along
By RICK BELL, CALGARY SUN
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It should anger all of us, this Fahrenheit 9/11 film. In fact, Michael Moore's award-winning, irritatingly incisive expose of Bush Junior and his strike-first-and-ask-questions-never bully boys, should leave Calgarians particularly peeved, since it is a celluloid confirmation of betrayal by a president much loved in these parts. How hard it will be for some of us to finally confront the truth. Those who have been made fools.

After all, think back.

When Dubya decided to embark on his misadventure in Iraq, sentiment in this country from coast to coast to coast swung solidly against signing up with the coalition for the killing, cautious about a common cause that was righteous in rhetoric but murky in motives. At the time, precious little skepticism surfaced in Calgary, however.

A solid majority of this city's citizens, including the overwhelmingly-adored favourite sons Ralph Klein and Stephen Harper, were gung-ho Geronimo ready to send our forces into the firefight, semper fi, do-or-die. The good ol' U.S. of A. Their country, right or wrong. Let's twist those Iraqi wrists until they say Uncle ... Sam.

Only a few thousand stalwarts, activists like Noel Ainsley, took to the streets to sound the alarm, shocked but refusing to be awed by the promised pulverizing. They did nothing rude or radical, simply questioned the edicts of authority.

Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Did the Iraqis really pose a imminent threat to us? Why could we not wait for the UN inspectors to complete their mission, mere weeks? Where WAS this alleged link between 9/11 and Iraq?

If no link, and there isn't, then what was the real purpose of the war? Why were the swimming-in-oil Saudis not pursued, Saudi Arabia being home base to most of the hijackers and the big bucks of the bin Laden clan? Why did 9/11 itself somehow get lost in the shuffle, with no card ever assigned out of the famous deck?

Ask those questions last year around these hawkish environs and you'd bear the bull's-eye, targeted as a traitor, an appeaser, an anti-American, a peacenik, a wimp, a Saddam sympathizer, some sort of snot who would have rolled over for Hitler if you'd been born back before the Big One.

Like Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451, inspiration for this film's title and a book about a society of blinkered book-burners, there was just one legitimate line and you were expected to shut up and toe it.

So we have this film, opening Friday in a cinema near you. There are humorous bits, as in Moore's past efforts, but there is much that is not. There is the person of Michael Moore but there are many spots where the story tells the tale.

You will see the grieving Iraqi mother and the grieving American mother, the abused prisoners and the grunts in the gunsights. You will see the slimy world of oil politics (see, this film is of interest to the oilpatch), the links between the Saudi royals and the Bush family, the money being made by the mighty in the land once known as Mesopotamia.

There is the vacationing prez not getting worked up by evidence of an impending attack, opposing an investigation into 9/11 after it occurred, there is the cheerleading press corps. You find out more on why the Americans turned their guns on a country not connected to the terrorist attacks, you will witness those who lose their liberties in the name of security, you will find out the name blacked out when Bush made public his less-than-gallant military record and why.

You will see how Bush actually responded when he finds out about the attacks on the awful day. You will NOT see the Baghdad victory parade or the vanquishing of al-

HERO

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:04 PM

I like his early work. But his 'Bowling for Columbine' was full of falsehoods and misrepresetation.

So no. Don't need to see his Mockumentary on the Bush 9/11 conspiracy.

Plan to see 'Around the World in 80 Days' instead.

H

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:14 PM

I can't wait to see this movie. Bush sucks.

JCOBB

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:14 PM

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/trailer_sm.html

http://moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/C9/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/fallujah.htm

http://www.mooreexposed.com/

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

http://www.mooreexposed.com/swm.html

I think Michael Moore brilliantly illustrates just how stupid other people can be, (at least those that take everything he says at face value).

The very fact that he can convince people through artfully misleading them, and then they don't go and check the facts afterwards makes me wonder if Moore isn't doing anything more then trying to have a good laugh over how persuasive he can be by lying through his teeth.

EDIT

So, yeah, Ghoulman, I can't wait for America to turn into the piss pot of the world because we follow Moore's example.

I don't care, I'm still free.

SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:22 PM

From what I can see he always gets the idea across. Those that pick at those little details that he leaves out are just anal. It won't make a good entertaining movie.

I view these movies as a jist of things and if something peaks my interest I look into it further. But in general, I sit back, relax, and enjoy. Moore definitely has peoples number.

After all, if he got things horribly wrong (at least when it comes to the /president/), he'd be sued.

Can't wait to see it

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

TERRIBLETINK

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:24 PM

Oh yeah, I'll go see it. Definitely. I know that Michael Moore can be over-the-top in his presentation and he sometimes can support good points with faulty statements, but if you know that going into it, you can take from it what you will. I don't always agree with his methods (he can shoot himself in the foot sometimes), but I do almost always agree with his politics. And if the right-wingers can get their kicks off the over-the-top, lowest common denominator, conspiracy-riddled ramblings of Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly, then hey! I get to wallow in the guilty pleasure of Michael Moore. It's about time!

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"I'll be in my bunk."

TALLGRRL

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JCobb:
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/trailer_sm.html

http://moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/C9/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/fallujah.htm

http://www.mooreexposed.com/

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

I think Michael Moore brilliantly illustrates just how stupid other people can be, (at least those that take everything he says at face value).

I don't care, I'm still free.

I don't care, I'm still free...well, at least for the time being. Seems that there are some people running this country that want to put a stop to that.
Actually Michael Moore loves this country very deeply and is appalled, like I am, by the direction its so-called "leaders" are taking it.
If someone you love is acting in a boorish behaviour, don't you tell them? If you love them you do.
There are people who are actually trying to get this movie banned. Let's call them the Movie Nazis.
What I want to know is what are they afraid of?
Moore isn't telling tales out of school. And he's not lying. (The lying has been done by Bush Incorporated and his cronies.)
Moore's information isn't from "Deep Throat". It's public record, news reports, and stuff that people SHOULD have been paying attention to all along. It's never been a secret about the Bush connections to Saudi oil. It's never been a secret that Bush Jr was a below average student, his way paved by his Daddy and Daddies cronies (most recently the Supreme Court), it's never been a secret that we have a moron in the White House. The world is in on that little secret.
You're free to not see this movie.
I should be free to see it. And I plan to.
If the Powers that Be have nothing to hide, then this movie should have as wide a distribution as the fictional stuff that's in the movieplexes.

"Take me, sir. Take me hard."

JCOBB

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:40 PM

Good, *insert diety here*...

Do you people not even CARE about the truth? (Being broad and sweeping here.)

"Its okay to lie through your teeth if you happen to believe the same thing I do.."

Is this really what you want to say? I mean, honestly, if you happen to follow a different agenda to my own, fine, I can live with that. (Just don't try to force your will upon me.) But do you HONESTLY want Mr. Moore as your spokesperson? I mean, really? He lies constantly, and those proclaiming his brilliance have only bought into his bullsh*t, without doing any checking themselves.

Look, I am not going to say one way or the other if what Moore wants is right. Either you think so, or you don't. I can't change your mind. But if you think that you can do what you consider right through lies and being less-then-truthful to people, then I think you have another thing coming.

Look, I like a lot of you here, even those I disagree with. I think that many of you have great intentions, that you don't wake up every morning intent on destroying my way of life. I would like to think that we are similar in many respects, we are all human beings, we all are trying to make a living, we all want the same general things, (life, liberty, and the ability to pursue happiness) and as such I would like to think that regardless of political leanings we could all, at the very least, get along. But this is just a travesty.

The ends do not always justify the means.

Sorry, Sig, I do like you, but things like, "From what I can see he always gets the idea across. Those that pick at those little details that he leaves out are just anal. It won't make a good entertaining movie." just bug the hella outta me.

EDITED Thrice (dagnabbit)

Tallgrrl,

I think you are confusing private enterprise, the ability for a company to do as it chooses, for whatever reason that is, with government overwatch. If Disney didn't want to publish Farenheit 9/11 they don't HAVE TO. The very idea that they are somehow violating free speech because they are doing as they see fit is more then a little stupid. Unless, of course, your idea of free speech is making a company publish, (or whatever Mirimax/Disney was going to do for F 9/11) Michael Moore's works, regardless.

If Michael Moore was SO concerned about free speech, (instead of making a buck) why doesn't he release it free of charge on the internet, or why doesn't he spend a bit of his own wealth to get it out to the "people."

It is not like he is some pauper that doesn't stand a chance in the big-kids world.

As far as Bush being the big fat lying liars here, why don't you do some research on the "other" side of Michael Moore. Blind faith isn't recommended, my dear.

I don't care, I'm still free.

CAOILTE

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:58 PM

Quote:
If Michael Moore was SO concerned about free speech, (instead of making a buck) why doesn't he release it free of charge on the internet, or why doesn't he spend a bit of his own wealth to get it out to the "people."

ooooooh. i hate people who say this. It's so hypocritical. Apparently you can't be interested in free speech AND making a buck folks. That's right, only people interested in state oppression AND making a buck allowed beyond this point.

EARLYWASLATE

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:07 PM

I will watch documentaries and enjoy them. F 9/11 isn't one.

It appears MM manipulates the facts for shock value rather than presenting them accuratly. I believe/trust his presentation about as much the "Reality TV" Fox pushes. He can push his version of "Reality," but just like with Fox, I ain't buying it.

BTW: Public figures are typically considered open season for satire, which is really what this movie is: a satire.

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