Dollhouse

End Dollhouse campaign!

POSTED BY: Calhoun
UPDATED: Monday, January 25, 2010 14:29
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GWEK

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:49 PM

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Stoweaway wrote:
Monday, October 12, 2009 19:52
I like the questions that it forces the viewer to ask themself.

But this blogger says it way better than me.....

http://geekbuffet.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/dollhouse/

That link.. Wow! Way to over analyze. Yeah, yeah, I get it.. do we have souls. He makes it sound like the best/most intellectual show on Tv. Meh..

I dont buy it.

Bring back Firefly!

Seconded. What a bunch of pompous bull.

But then, what do you expect in an article that describes Battlestar Galactica as "one of the most important achievements in the history of entertainment"?

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

DEWRASTLER

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
You make it sound as though Joss is doing Dollhouse against his will. Is the browncoat army supposed to rise up and free him from this show so that he can make something else you may or may not approve of?

I'm seeing a rising opinion around here that Joss is the personal property of the browncoats. People seem to think that if he isn't doing what we want, then he needs to be made to do what we want. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that?

Yes, Dollhouse is a very different show from Firefly. Recall that Firefly was a very different show from Buffy/Angel. Maybe Joss doesn't want do the same thing twice. Maybe he wants to do something different.

You don't like Dollhouse, that's fine. Please accept that there are those of us who do. Please accept that Joss is among us. He wouldn't be wasting his time on a show he didn't think was good.

He thought Firefly was good, a lot of people didn't, and it was cancelled. If that's the future for Dollhouse, so be it. But there's no reason to push towards that end.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

Seconded.

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People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:33 PM

Competition will kill it
even if the competitors are doing average they are doing a lot better than Dollhouse

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/03/thirteen-episodes-per-season-is-e
nough-for-warehouse-13-showrunner/29430
Thirteen (episodes per season) is enough for Warehouse 13 showrunner

Sounds like SyFy is pretty happy with Friday’s two-hour premiere of their latest new show, Stargate: Universe. Besides trumpeting the “best franchise premiere performance in four years”, the channel’s press release also took time out to get a rib kick into Joss Whedon’s poorly performing Dollhouse on network (i.e. free) TV.
http://www.scificool.com/syfy-boasts-about-stargate-universe-ratings-d
ollhouse-beatdown/

Dollhouse: it sucks
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/04/09/dollhouse-it-sucks/

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Big disappointment from Josh Whedon over Dollhouse. Then again, I never liked Buffy/Angel either. Too corny of TV series. But both JBQ and I loved “Firefly”. I was fooled into thinking that after Firefly, Whedon found the perfect recipe for a successful — or at least cult — TV series. Instead, we were served some pretty boring, pedestrian flat shit.

http://drnormalblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/why-joss-whedons-dollhous
e-fails/

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1. Eliza Dushku isn’t up to the job

2. The Show’s Premise Makes No Sense

3. There’s nothing Special About It

4. Who the Hell Cares?

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=53284230553&topic=8242

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The problems are in the premise.

First of all, the very idea of interchangeable personalities means that the character will always be a blank slate.

Second, they obviously created this show just to try to put Eliza Dushku into multiple performances and personalities. Unfortunately, she can't quite pull it off. She's not helped by the writing, which doesn't give any of the alternate personalities any real interest -- except the master thief, which plays into Dushku's strengths.

My mind goes especially to that murdered older woman in "Haunted". She got something like one line before she's killed, so the result is that we don't care about who killed her, because we don't care about her. Olivia Williams further ruined that character by being so frighteningly ordinary in everything she did. Imagine if they'd cast somebody interesting as DeWitt, an actress like Kate Beckinsale or Naomi Watts. Everything Williams touched, every scene and line, turned into bland white bread. And Fran Kranz is just horrible -- just why they didn't just cast Jonathan M. Woodward (Knox in Angel) or Adam Busch (Warren in Buffy the Vampire Slayer) is a mystery to me; they would have been perfect as the science nerd, except they would have been able to handle real comedy. Kranz looks like he's at an amateur night of improv comedy.

Finally, for all of Joss Whedon's feminist cred, his concepts easily fall into exploitation rather than empowerment. He often falls into the trap of trying to put the women on a pedestal, rather than portraying them as real in all their strengths and flaws. And that is a form of marginalization (read Simone de Beauvoir). Dollhouse's treatment of its women is very shallow, unlike, say, Dark Angel.
The final season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer almost made me gag, the way Buffy turned into a selfish, deluded, stupid, self-righteous bitch. This is why Faith and Willow were always so much more interesting than Buffy.

as for the Bull riding scene I'll give it a pass because I can't stand to look at that AIDS victim Dj whatshisface

OPPYH

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:58 PM

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I get it if you don't like the show. Not everything is for everyone. Everyone has likes what they like and I respect that.

But please, please, PLEASE don't try to go out there and ruin it for those of us that do watch the show.

I think the majority of Joss fans are disappointed with Dollhouse. It is an average show with an intriguing premise. It just doesn't grab me like Buffy, Angel, or Firefly did. In fact it's not even near those shows in the "must see" category.

I find it tragic that Firefly had nearly triple the viewership as Dollhouse, but was deep sixed so early on people never knew what hit them.

That being said if you enjoy Dollhouse more power to ya. Watch and enjoy. I'm just speaking for the true Joss Fans that feel he is so much better than Dollhouse, and as a whole we miss that.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:01 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I'm just speaking for the true Joss Fans that feel he is so much better than Dollhouse, and as a whole we miss that.

Now, I'm not a Dollhouse fan myself, but I don't think anyone has the right to say who is or isn't a "true" Joss fan. Just kind-of a dick statement to make.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:13 PM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
You make it sound as though Joss is doing Dollhouse against his will. Is the browncoat army supposed to rise up and free him from this show so that he can make something else you may or may not approve of?

I'm seeing a rising opinion around here that Joss is the personal property of the browncoats. People seem to think that if he isn't doing what we want, then he needs to be made to do what we want. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that?

Yes, Dollhouse is a very different show from Firefly. Recall that Firefly was a very different show from Buffy/Angel. Maybe Joss doesn't want do the same thing twice. Maybe he wants to do something different.

You don't like Dollhouse, that's fine. Please accept that there are those of us who do. Please accept that Joss is among us. He wouldn't be wasting his time on a show he didn't think was good.

He thought Firefly was good, a lot of people didn't, and it was cancelled. If that's the future for Dollhouse, so be it. But there's no reason to push towards that end.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

Would you respect the man if he up and quit Dollhouse right now? I would see that as a real jerk thing to do. Create something and when it doesn't go well just give up and leave it to someone else to clean up. So, in that sense he is somewhat trapped right now. I think he's too nice of a person to ditch all the great people he's working with.

I don't see how people saying that Joss can do better is saying he's our slave. Joss has plenty of projects on his back burner. Projects some of us are hungry for. Joss is still going to create what he wants (funding willing). Are you saying we aren't entitled to an opinion?

I can understand the "don't ruin it for me" attitude, but you're essentially doing the same to people who would rather see Joss work on Dr. Horrible 2 or the Book comics or whatever new show Joss might have on the line. By producing Dollhouse he's not off doing those things. So, they're being ruined for the rest of us. If there were infinite Joss resources then it would be a problem for people to want him off Dollhouse. Unfortunately he's only one man and time spent on Dollhouse is time he isn't spending on other endeavors. So, please don't ruin it for the rest of us.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:30 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

I can understand the "don't ruin it for me" attitude, but you're essentially doing the same to people who would rather see Joss work on Dr. Horrible 2 or the Book comics or whatever new show Joss might have on the line. By producing Dollhouse he's not off doing those things. So, they're being ruined for the rest of us. If there were infinite Joss resources then it would be a problem for people to want him off Dollhouse. Unfortunately he's only one man and time spent on Dollhouse is time he isn't spending on other endeavors. So, please don't ruin it for the rest of us.

Yeah, the difference there being group A is ruining something that is actually happening for others, while group b is supposedly ruining something that is merely speculation.

Besides, I highly doubt that Dollhouse has anything at all to do with the delay in finding an artist for Shepard's Tale.....

And this is a man that oversaw 3 series concurrently. Somehow I doubt that Dollhouse is the sole reason he's not doing anything else.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

KWICKO

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I get it if you don't like the show. Not everything is for everyone. Everyone has likes what they like and I respect that.

But please, please, PLEASE don't try to go out there and ruin it for those of us that do watch the show.

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People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do

That sums it up perfectly. I don't care for the show, but that's MY subjective reaction to it. There's no need for me to go around trying to petition for its cancelation. Others like it, so I wish them the very best of luck, and hope that they have it around for years and years.

By the way, if you have a hit show, you'll get another, and another - often while the first one is still going. If you have a string of canceled shows, it's not that easy...

In other words, the best thing you can do for Joss, by way of him getting another series, is hope for Dollhouse to become a mega-hit.

I've tried and tried, but it's just not for me. Don't let that be an indictment of Joss or the show, though - I couldn't get through the first episode of Lost, either, and I've heard it was a little bit of a hit. Doesn't that guy have another show going, or some movies or something?

And yes, that was snark.

Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams

ZEEK

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:28 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, the difference there being group A is ruining something that is actually happening for others, while group b is supposedly ruining something that is merely speculation.

Besides, I highly doubt that Dollhouse has anything at all to do with the delay in finding an artist for Shepard's Tale.....

And this is a man that oversaw 3 series concurrently. Somehow I doubt that Dollhouse is the sole reason he's not doing anything else.

You think Joss is going to close up shop and stop working all together if Dollhouse is canceled? His brother specifically said in an interview that they haven't done much for Dr. Horrible 2 because they're too busy right now. It's not wild speculation that they'd work on it if they had less on their plate.

From what I heard his "overseeing" of 3 series was mostly working on Firefly and leaving the others on autopilot. Those reports could be wrong, but he's still not capable of being in more than one place at a time.

Still seems like everyone just wants Joss working on what they want. Don't see why one group is any more noble than another.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:40 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, the difference there being group A is ruining something that is actually happening for others, while group b is supposedly ruining something that is merely speculation.

Besides, I highly doubt that Dollhouse has anything at all to do with the delay in finding an artist for Shepard's Tale.....

And this is a man that oversaw 3 series concurrently. Somehow I doubt that Dollhouse is the sole reason he's not doing anything else.

You think Joss is going to close up shop and stop working all together if Dollhouse is canceled? His brother specifically said in an interview that they haven't done much for Dr. Horrible 2 because they're too busy right now. It's not wild speculation that they'd work on it if they had less on their plate.

Okay, but my point is, your essentially saying screw those who like Dollhouse, drop it and do what I want.

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From what I heard his "overseeing" of 3 series was mostly working on Firefly and leaving the others on autopilot. Those reports could be wrong, but he's still not capable of being in more than one place at a time.

I recall him telling the story differently. And sure, he can't be in 2 places at once.... but he doesn't NEED to be at all places at all times.

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Still seems like everyone just wants Joss working on what they want. Don't see why one group is any more noble than another.

Well, one group wants Joss to keep doing the thing they already like - and that HE seems to be enjoying (or he wouldn't have made concessions for renewal). So some are wanting Joss to stop doing what HE likes to do what they want.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."