End Dollhouse campaign!
POSTED BY: Calhoun
UPDATED: Monday, January 25, 2010 14:29
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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
You make it sound as though Joss is doing Dollhouse against his will. Is the browncoat army supposed to rise up and free him from this show so that he can make something else you may or may not approve of?
I'm seeing a rising opinion around here that Joss is the personal property of the browncoats. People seem to think that if he isn't doing what we want, then he needs to be made to do what we want. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that?
Yes, Dollhouse is a very different show from Firefly. Recall that Firefly was a very different show from Buffy/Angel. Maybe Joss doesn't want do the same thing twice. Maybe he wants to do something different.
You don't like Dollhouse, that's fine. Please accept that there are those of us who do. Please accept that Joss is among us. He wouldn't be wasting his time on a show he didn't think was good.
He thought Firefly was good, a lot of people didn't, and it was cancelled. If that's the future for Dollhouse, so be it. But there's no reason to push towards that end.
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Seconded.
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Thirded.
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Stoweaway wrote:
Monday, October 12, 2009 19:52
I like the questions that it forces the viewer to ask themself.
But this blogger says it way better than me.....
http://geekbuffet.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/dollhouse/
That link.. Wow! Way to over analyze. Yeah, yeah, I get it.. do we have souls. He makes it sound like the best/most intellectual show on Tv. Meh..
I dont buy it.
Bring back Firefly!
Seconded. What a bunch of pompous bull.
Thirded. LOL. That's exactly what I thought!
Dollhouse is actually quite the opposite. It's 4th grade tech talk and philosophical mumbo-jumbo. As Dr. Normal put it so well in his blog: "The only part of it you remember is how much it talks down to you as if you have all the brain cells of Eliza Dushku’s Echo. And that’s damn hard to forgive." The man's got a point. It's worse even. Being talked down to is one thing: if people are actually more knowledgeable than you. Instead, the show talks down to you from a low position itself, trying to pass it off as clever. Like the way Topher peddles his idiotic over-simplifications of the brain, or his non-sensical computer wizardry. Very reminiscent of Dr. Rodney McKay (Stargate Atlantis) always talking about installing a "macro," or a "subroutine," terms that probably sound very impressive to a 12-year-old. But try and sell it to an adult, and you're just insulting them -- especially when you communicate your gibberish in a condescending fashion. That's adding insult to... well, insult.
I've been willing to overlook at lot -- after all, I'm still watching it. But when folks come out and say Dollhouse "may be the most intellectually engaging television series in the history of American television," then I shall forthwith send Kaylee back to question Mr. geekbuffet a second time!
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, but my point is, your essentially saying screw those who like Dollhouse, drop it and do what I want.
And "Screw everyone else, I like Dollhouse" is better why?
I don't have a problem with either stance, but let's all be honest about our greedy motivations.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Well, one group wants Joss to keep doing the thing they already like - and that HE seems to be enjoying (or he wouldn't have made concessions for renewal). So some are wanting Joss to stop doing what HE likes to do what they want.
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
And besides the aforementioned Shepherds Tale book and Dr. Horrible 2, Joss has his plate full with a whole host of other things
-Cabin in the Woods - Writer and Producer
-Buffy Season 8 - and I believe he recently announced season 9 as well, and because of that it wouldn't be too much to assume that Angel will get the same treatment
-Goners - a sort of mystery project - IMDB lists him as the writer and director
-Ripper - it's been rumored for forever, but IMDB is still listing it. I'm not sure how reliable that is, but I wouldn't count it out either.
In addition to these, it's been mentioned that Joss has had planned to do a short film project that is currently on the backburner, but not necessarily outed and he's also been affiliated with Marvel lately. He wrote an X-men comic and is also tied with another Marvel comic series Runaways.
( http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/07/07/joss-whedons-hollywood-status-upd
ate-horror-fantasy-goners-cabin-in-the-woods-and-more/)
To say that Joss's time is being tied up solely in Dollhouse is clearly false.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, but my point is, your essentially saying screw those who like Dollhouse, drop it and do what I want.
And "Screw everyone else, I like Dollhouse" is better why?
I don't have a problem with either stance, but let's all be honest about our greedy motivations.
I addressed that - you cut it out of your quote (interesting, from a guy requesting honesty.....). Maybe you should just go back and re-read it, less selectively, you know?
Aw, here, since I'm a nice guy, I'll save you time: You aren't just saying "Screw everyone else, do what I like" you are ALSO saying "Joss, screw what you want to do, and do what I like."
As you said, be honest.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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He's said he wants to do Dr. Horrible 2 and he's not doing it. I cut it out cause I disagree. The reason he's doing Dollhouse is because he has to fit the network's schedule. There's no task master on Dr. Horrible 2 so it gets shoved to the back of the list. I don't think that's what Joss wants.
Last I heard Cabin in the Woods is in the can. Possibly doing some finishing touches but I doubt it's much.
Goners got canceled I thought.
Ripper was too last I heard.
Buffy comics are another thing I'd rather he focused on instead of Dollhouse.
Really I'd take any of those over Dollhouse.
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And "Screw everyone else, I like Dollhouse" is better why?
I don't have a problem with either stance, but let's all be honest about our greedy motivations.
I don't like Dollhouse myself much, even though I watch it. The only episode I really found very engaging was Man on the Street. I've tried to be positive about it, sometimes I've even thought some of the plot twists were good in some episodes, but over all it's been me feeling blah about it but still trying to give it a chance. I don't have to watch Dollhouse, and I normally wouldn't if it was anyone but Joss.
What I want is for Joss to do what HE wants to do. And apparently it's this. Go figure.
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asarian wrote:
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 09:51
Dollhouse is actually quite the opposite. It's 4th grade tech talk and philosophical mumbo-jumbo. As Dr. Normal put it so well in his blog: "The only part of it you remember is how much it talks down to you as if you have all the brain cells of Eliza Dushku’s Echo. And that’s damn hard to forgive." The man's got a point. It's worse even. Being talked down to is one thing: if people are actually more knowledgeable than you. Instead, the show talks down to you from a low position itself, trying to pass it off as clever. Like the way Topher peddles his idiotic over-simplifications of the brain, or his non-sensical computer wizardry. Very reminiscent of Dr. Rodney McKay (Stargate Atlantis) always talking about installing a "macro," or a "subroutine," terms that probably sound very impressive to a 12-year-old. But try and sell it to an adult, and you're just insulting them -- especially when you communicate your gibberish in a condescending fashion. That's adding insult to... well, insult.
Well said.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
The reason he's doing Dollhouse is because he has to fit the network's schedule. There's no task master on Dr. Horrible 2 so it gets shoved to the back of the list. I don't think that's what Joss wants.
...uh... what? The only reason he's making the show it to fit their schedule....? What kind of asinine logic is that? Fox isn't holding a gun to his head to make Dollhouse. If he didn't WANT to do it, he could have:
A) Not pitched it.
B) Refused to lower the costs after season 1, and let it be canceled
C) Work on other projects concurrently (which he has done many times before)
D) Let it continue with a different show-runner.
F) Quit, and let FOX figure it out
He did none of those, and CHOSE to keep doing the show.
As for Dr. Horrible 2 - I'm sure that Neil Patrick Harris and Nathan Fillion both starring in successful shows has nothing at all to do with the delay. If only Dollhouse wasn't going, they would be instantly free to fly off and do it....because obviously they're not doing anything else....
You act as if he's locked in some dungeon, forced to toil away at this show against his will. It's ridiculous, and your reasoning borders on nonsensical.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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